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Article #1230Re: Inconsistent Experiments
From: Jon Webb
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 15:20
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 15:20
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In article <930106161158.20c082a7@FNALD.FNAL.GOV> DROEGE@fnald.fnal.gov writes: While I agree with most of what Jon Webb says in reply to Jed Rothwell, when he says: -- it can't be the case that Mills & Farrell and Yamaguchi and Notoya and Pons and Fleischmann and McKubre are all right; they have inconsistent experiments." I don't think we know enough about what is happening to know that they are inconsistent. For example, they could all be wrong, and that would make them consistent! So Jon, how are they inconsistent? From my view, they could all be based on some common principal. You may be right; perhaps there is some completely unknown theory that will explain all of them. But their explanations of the phenomena are completely different, and inconsistent; e.g., Mills & Farrell's shrinking hydrogen theory vs. Pons & Fleischmann's deuterium fusion theory. The experimental conditions they think are important are different -- e.g., Notoya's abhorrence of parafilm vs. Pons & Fleischmann's use of it, at least in the early experiments. Their experimental results (amount of heat seen and time taken to see it) are completely different; some claim copious amount of heat almost immediately and with excellent reproducibility, and others claim small (10% excess) heat after long periods of time, and unreliably. There are so many differences between these experiments that the only thing they really have in common is that they put isotopes of hydrogen and metal in non-equlibrium conditions, and got more heat than expected. There is very little reason to think that all of these experiments derive their excess heat from the same basic source. It is only because of historical context that we seem them that way. -- J
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Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!udel!rochester!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!webb+ From: webb+@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) Subject: Re: Inconsistent Experiments In-Reply-To: DROEGE@fnald.fnal.gov's message of Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:45:14 GMT Message-ID: <C0HpA5.I01.1@cs.cmu.edu> Originator: webb@DUCK.WARP.CS.CMU.EDU Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: duck.warp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University References: <930106161158.20c082a7@FNALD.FNAL.GOV> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:20:25 GMT Lines: 36