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Article #1276Re: Reply to Jed Rothwell/E=Mc2
From: Todd Green
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 07:35
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 07:35
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In article <1993Jan7.124408.311@physc1.byu.edu>, jonesse@physc1.byu.edu writes: > While educating about He3, gammas, neutrons, and other nuclear emissions is > evidently sorely needed, perhaps quoting from a recent paper by Dave Buehler, > Lee Hansen, Larry Rees and myself will help chip away at this type of fixation: > > "...at the Nagoya meeting and elsewhere, we found that errors and uncertainties > in current experiments prevent unambiguous interpretation of claims of excess > heat generation. Hence, this paper also outlines criteria for establishing > calorimeter performance for definitive measurements of "excess heat" in cold- > fusion experiments." > (There follows an extensive discussion on difficulties of calorimetric > measurements, precautions, etc. mostly by Prof. Lee Hansen of BYU. We also > discuss the use of an X-ray spectrometer as a critical means of probing for > nuclear origins of heat, when the precise nuclear reaction is unknown. I have > posted notes on this, here, some months ago.) > "Because all electrochemical calorimetric experiments intended to demonstrate > 'excess heat' require correction for the heat of the electrolysis reaction, > the expected reaction must be verified and quantified. Otherwise an incorrect > value for the thermoneutral potential will be used in the correction. For > example, deposition of an alkali metal under a silicate (or aluminate or > borate) coating on an electrode in aqueous solution is possible at cell > voltages near 3 volts. The thermoneutral potential for Li is about 2.9 volts, > compared to 1.5 volts for hydrogen. An xs heat rate proportional to the rate > of deposition of Li would thus be found if the reaction were assumed to be > strictly generation of hydrogen. The accuracy of the thermoneutral potential > must also be assessed. A value derived from a single source or type of > measurement cannot be considered reliable. This is a valid point but codeposition of lithium at the cathode would produce an energy deficit and NOT excess energy if a thermoneutral potential of 1.53 volts was assumed. The thermoneutral potential for lithium deposition at the cathode and an oxygen evolving anode is approximately 3.5 volts, so if, say, 10% of the electrolysis was due to Li+ reduction and the rest D2O reduction, then the effective thermoneutral potential, Eth, would be 1.73 volts. Then, the Joule heating calculated by (Ecell-1.53)*I would clearly overestimate the actual input power, and an apparent negative energy balance would be calculated. In general, the occurrence of a chemical/electrochemical process other than oxygen evolution(anode)/deuterium evolution(cathode) will lead to apparent excess heat if the thermoneutral potential of that process is < 1.53 volts and "negative" excess heat when E > 1.53 volts. One other point is that lithium deposition is rather unlikely under most conditions because of the extremely negative standard electrode potential (-3.05 V) for the reaction Li+ + e- ---> Li. There is a possibility that there might be an underpotential deposition of Li on Pd (i.e. its occurrence at a potential more anodic than -3 volts) but I don't think there is much evidence supporting this to date. Todd
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!munnari.oz.au!uniwa!fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au!tiq From: tiq@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au (Todd Green) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Reply to Jed Rothwell/E=Mc2 Date: 9 Jan 93 15:35:47 +0800 Organization: University of Western Australia Lines: 52 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1993Jan9.153547.1@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au> References: <1993Jan7.124408.311@physc1.byu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: fennel.wt.uwa.edu.au