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Re: The Existence of God, or of A god.

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> Is there any information in this message?

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> I do not understand.

Welcome aboard.


> Please help me.  ;-)

It's not you that needs help...


>
> Jason at SETILink <setilink@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20011104010656.23181.00001171@mb-ce.aol.com...
>
>
> Sorry I've been invited to go OT,
>
> Don''t worry, Afghanistan's "guests" may be working
> on destroying U.S. power stations too!
>
> The FBI is searching for six men, apparently from the
> middle-east, who were stopped by police in the Midwest
> last weekend and released - even though they possessed
> descriptions and photos of a nuclear power plants in Florida
> and the Alaskan pipeline,  box cutters and other equipment,
> and they were traveling in groups of 3 in 2 white cars,
> according to Knight Ridder Newspapers.
>
> The link:
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/wkmg/20011031/lo/938582_1.html
>
> How many hospitals will that take out?  How many millions
> will die then? (Assuming that you are from Australia with the
> .au in your e-mail) If Australia's greatest buildings and cities
> are destroyed, if thousands are killed, if her economy is
> wrecked, if her mail system is destroyed and her government
> is totally distrupted by bio-terrorism, then you might understand
> our perspective.  When you have to surrender your civil rights
> to let the government spy on every communication yet keep
> everything a secret, when you change your laws to permit
> torture and have secret military tribunals permitting executions
> within 30 days, when you know that any minute the next terrorist
> attack may happen, then you would be justified to whine your
> wimpery whine.  We know that the former Soviet Union couldn't
> beat them even though the Soviets were at the peak of their
> military might with virtually unlimited manpower and resources
> and the extra benefit of having land access to roll armor over,
> then you understand why we have to use different tactics.
>
> We also have lost a gorrilla war in the past (and so did you),
> and we remember it. It's time for us to start fighting like gorilla
> fighters.  I really don't think you understand what is happening
> in America right now.  We cannot back out of this one!  Many
> of us see this as only the opening act to a very long, arduous,
> grueling, survival killfest.  They have crossed the line and they
> will die! Alot of innocent people are going to die, here, there
> and probably even in Australia!  Get used to it.  Even if their
> "guests" stop hiding under the tents of the red-crescent and
> red-cross, mosques and hospitals, do you think this is going
> to stop?  Even if we catch and/or kill every one of those
> scumbags do you think it's going to stop?  Do you think that
> those innocent children are going to grow up to love you and
> your society?  Do you think that those innocent children will
> grow-up to overthrow the Taliban and stop al-Qaeeda from
> blowing up skyscrapers and killing equally innocent people?
>
> You might want to watch again a few African wildlife films
> and to get a hint of what's going on from our perspective.
> This is a basic survival game, we've only just begun, and
> it's not going to be pretty.
>
> EXTRATERRESTRIALS, PLEASE SAVE US NOW!
> Remind us that the primative religions are fake and that we
> can get off of our crack-cocaine-like addiction to oil that
> leads to so many other complications.
>
> Otherwise, it seems that Darwinian survival will continue
> to play out in both the philosophical and real world.
>
> Jason H.
> _____________________________________
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/setilink
>  (now alphabetized, no main page music! Better?)
>
>
> <dj-m@zedz.net> wrote in message
> news:b9abcdae968919f80a3db13ae87ab710@aarg.net...
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> > His Star at its rising, an hour and a half before sunrise
> > Bethlehemjudah 3:50 AM LMT--for Saturn's ingress into the
> > tenth of zodiac (First of Horoscope) i.e., Augusti mensis
> > die XI h. XV m. XLVII post meridiem horologii Mathematici:
> >
> >  Tropical Day: 05:16:05:48
> >  Julian Day: 1720550.56250
> >  LMT: 03:50:00 12-Aug--2
> >  UTC: 01:30:00 12-Aug--2
> >  TDT-UT: +9077.3 sec
> >  Sidereal Time: 01h 02m 10s
> >  Metonic calendar: 1 Elul 3758
> >  Islamic calendar: yawm al-'ithnayn
> >  29 Dhu l-Qu`da -643 (1948439.17=1AH)
> >  Mayan Long count: 7.17.16.5.8
> >  (baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin)
> >  Haab: 6 Pop
> >  Tzolkin: 7 Lamat
> >
> >  Sun Leo Rules Fifth House of horoscope with Moon to Virgo
> >  therein second of zodiac, Venus souljourn on her heliacal
> >  rising conjoined Jupiter exalting Subra Fourth House with
> >  spirit Mercury retro Leo therein first of zodiac, fortune
> >  Cancer on the equatorial ascendant debilitate Third House
> >  twelfth of zodiac, Saturn Taurus First House-first breath
> >  tenth of zodiac, Mars Capricorn Ninth House six of zodiac,
> >  Aquarian Head of the dragon rules Eleventh House eight of
> >  zodiac, dragon's tail Libra debilitates Sixth House Pluto
> >  Virgo exalts therein third of zodiac, Neptune to heart of
> >  the Scorpion Seventh House fourth of zodiac, Uranus retro
> >  Pisces Twelfth House nine of zodiac; Sun, Jupiter, Saturn
> >  Uranus closing the distance, Mars, nearest of the planets:
> >
> >  Monday August 12, 3 BC 3:50 AM LMT +2:20 35:10E 31:42N
> >  Body        Z_Placement  Latitude  r Hs RUL.  Velocity
> >  Sun       : 19Leo09'59" + 0:00'00" R 05 [R] +0.9732321
> >  Labrum    : 02Vir07'08" -17:39'48"   05  |      deCrt
> >  Moon      : 02Vir34'11" - 1:19'21" - 05 [-] +12.101941
> >  Pi Virgo  : 02Vir45'24" + 6:09'30"   05  |      piVir
> >  Psi Virgo : 21Vir27'30" - 3:20'41"   06  |      psVir
> >  Pluto     : 21Vir28'59" +16:44'22" e 06 [e] +0.0347036
> >  Lilith    : 06Lib56'40" - 3:53'40" - 06 [d] +0.1114918
> >  Antemidhea: 19Lib57'31" __________   07  |  __________
> >  Neptune   : 14Sco14'26" + 1:47'28" - 07 [-] +0.0090835
> >  Han       : 14Sco26'35" +11:37'30"   07  |      zeOph
> >  Antares   : 15Sco00'40" - 4:18'34"   07  |      alSco
> >  Rastaban  : 16Sco55'56" +75:31'44"   07  |      beDra
> >  Vertex    : 10Sag14'33" __________ - 08 [-] __________
> >  Alpha Tele: 10Sag18'56" -22:21'24"   08  |      alTel
> >  Altair    : 06Cap42'55" +29:23'06"   09  |      alAql
> >  Mars      : 07Cap15'54" - 5:35'46" e 09 [-] +0.1066766
> >  Descendant: 00Aqu11'32" __________   10  |  __________
> >  True Node : 18Aqu07'15" + 0:00'00" R 11 [R] -0.0010311
> >  Theta Dora: 18Aqu46'26" -85:20'42"   11  |      thDor
> >  Altais    : 24Pis02'33" +82:51'13"   12  |      deDra
> >  Uranus    : 24Pis13'37" - 0:46'37" - 12 [-] -0.0310059
> >  V.Equinoct: 03Ari04'12" + 0:00'00"   12  |  __________
> >  Midheaven : 19Ari57'31" __________   01  |  __________
> >  Aldebaran : 15Tau00'00" - 5:36'20"   01  |      alTau
> >  Mu Lepus  : 20Tau33'04" -39:17'10"   01  |      muLep
> >  Saturn    : 20Tau45'12" - 2:05'54" - 01 [d] +0.0390428
> >  11th Cusp : 21Tau07'27" __________   02  |  __________
> >  Alnitak   : 29Tau54'20" -25:33'11"   02  |     zeOri
> >  Sirius    : 19Gem40'31" -39:09'51"   02  |      alCMa
> >  Alathfar  : 16Can35'57" +86:49'18"   03  |     omeDra
> >  Fortune   : 16Can47'20" __________ - 03 [d] __________
> >  Rho Puppis: 16Can51'35" -43:28'41"   03  |      rhPup
> >  Alpha Lynx: 17Can08'42" +17:47'48"   03  |      alLyn
> >  East Point: 17Can21'06" __________ d 04 [d] __________
> > /Venus     : 28Can24'13" + 0:41'49" - 04 [-] +1.2302981
> > \Jupiter   : 28Can35'08" + 0:37'52" e 04 [e] +0.2119242
> >  Psi Leo   : 28Can42'58" + 0:11'41"   04  |      psLeo
> >  Subra     : 29Can33'47" - 3:51'55"   04  |     omiLeo
> >  Beta LeoMi: 29Can42'46" +24:59'24"   04  |      beLMi
> >  Ascendant : 00Leo11'32" __________   04  |  __________
> >  Regulus   : 05Leo11'29" + 0:22'43"   04  |      alLeo
> >  Rho Leo   : 11Leo37'28" + 0:02'52"   04  |      rhLeo
> >  Thuban    : 12Leo11'04" +66:16'50"   04  |      alDra
> >  Spirit    : 13Leo35'43" __________ - 04 [-] __________
> >  Minchir   : 13Leo41'18" -23:16'31"   04  |    up-2Hya
> >  Alioth    : 13Leo44'11" +54:11'04"   04  |      epUMa
> >  Mercury   : 14Leo01'09" - 3:15'42" d 04 [-] -0.8513727
> >  Chertan   : 18Leo37'36" + 9:39'12"   05  |      thLeo
> >
> >                     Radial Distance/v
> >                    Earth: 00.0000000~
> >                      Sun: 01.0064858+
> >                     Moon: 00.0026809-
> >                  Mercury: 00.6577495-
> >                    Venus: 01.5639646-
> >                     Mars: 00.4623742-
> >                  Jupiter: 06.2760019+
> >                   Saturn: 08.9529188+
> >                   Uranus: 19.1463245+
> >                  Neptune: 30.3776598-
> >                    Pluto: 31.0918412-
> >                     Node: 00.0025073+
> >                   Lilith: 00.0027106~
> >
> >                      Meridian Cusps
> >                      (of horoscope)
> >                      01: 19Ari57'31"
> >                      02: 21Tau07'27"
> >                      03: 19Gem46'50"
> >                      04: 17Can21'06"
> >                      05: 16Leo05'01"
> >                      06: 17Vir20'14"
> >                      07: 19Lib57'31"
> >                      08: 21Sco07'27"
> >                      09: 19Sag46'50"
> >                      10: 17Cap21'06"
> >                      11: 16Aqu05'01"
> >                      12: 17Pis20'14"
> >
> >                   Fundamental Aspects
> >   1:   Venus (Can) Con (Can) Jupiter  - orb: a0:10'
> >   2:     Sun (Leo) Opp [Aqu] Node     - orb: s1:02'
> >   3:     Sun (Leo) Con [Leo] Mercury  - orb: s5:08'
> >   4:     Sun (Leo) Squ (Tau) Saturn   - orb: a1:35'
> >   5: Mercury [Leo] Squ (Sco) Neptune  - orb: s0:13'
> >   6:  Saturn (Tau) Tri (Vir) Pluto    - orb: a0:43'
> >   7:  Saturn (Tau) Con (Tau) 11th Cusp- orb: s0:22'
> >   8:    Moon (Vir) Tri (Cap) Mars     - orb: a4:41'
> >   9: Jupiter (Can) Con (Leo) Ascendant- orb: s1:36'
> >  10:    Mars (Cap) Squ (Lib) Lilith   - orb: a0:19'
> >  11:  Uranus [Pis] Opp (Vir) Pluto    - orb: a2:44'
> >  12: Fortune (Can) Con (Can) EastPoint- orb: s0:33'
> >  13:     Sun (Leo) Squ (Sco) Neptune  - orb: s4:55'
> >  14:   Pluto (Vir) Tri (Tau) 11th Cusp- orb: a0:21'
> >  15:   Venus (Can) Con (Leo) Ascendant- orb: s1:47'
> >  16:   Venus (Can) Tri [Pis] Uranus   - orb: s4:10'
> >  17: Jupiter (Can) Tri [Pis] Uranus   - orb: s4:21'
> >  18:  Saturn (Tau) Sex [Pis] Uranus   - orb: a3:28'
> >  19:     Sun (Leo) Squ (Tau) 11th Cusp- orb: s1:57'
> >  20:  Saturn (Tau) Squ [Aqu] Node     - orb: s2:37'
> >  21: Neptune (Sco) Tri (Can) Fortune  - orb: s2:32'
> >
> >                    Fiducial Aspects
> >  22: Jupiter (Can) Con (Can) Psi Leo  - orb: a0:07'
> >  23:   Venus (Can) Con (Can) Psi Leo  - orb: a0:18'
> >  24:    Mars (Cap) Con (Cap) Altair   - orb: s0:32'
> >  25: Ascenda (Leo) Con (Can) Subra    - orb: s0:37'
> >  26: Neptune (Sco) Con (Sco) Antares  - orb: a0:46'
> >  -adjudicated by Daniel Joseph Min 24 April 2001 AD
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> >
> S D Rodrian <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
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> ianbeardsley@webtv.net (Ian Beardsley) wrote in message
news:<29617-3BE1FC80-13@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> > I don't have a problem believing in the concept of a deterministic
> > universe, my problem is in believing in the existence of a universe.
>
> And I thought I had a problem!
>
> > The
> > only way something can exist is if it came from nothing or, if it has
> > always been there.
>
> AND the perfect example of both those things is
> to be found inside every box of CrackerJack.
>
> > Since I can't comprehend either scenario I can't
> > believe that I or, anything exists.
>
> That is a problem, but lucky you: I know
> how to help you get rid of your problem!
>
> This is what you have to do: Buy a gun...
> load it... and blow your brains off:
>
> Now IF you no longer exist, no problem.
> And IF you DID exist: problem solved.
>
> S D Rodrian
> poems.sdrodrian.com
> physics.sdrodrian.com
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