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Article #1009Re: ETHICS IN THE ERA OF POSTSCIENTISM
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:53
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:53
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Athel Cornish-Bowden and Gary Bertrand are professors in the postscientific Praetorian Guard, that is, their only function is to destroy assailants. The fact that they feel obliged to condemn the foundations of thermodynamics suggests that high priests have already done so and that the verdict has been accepted by the postscientific community: http://pennance.us/?p=16 Clifford Truesdell: "Thermodynamics need never have been the Dismal Swamp of Obscurity that from the first it was and that today in common instruction it isβ¦" http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000313/ Jos Uffink: "What is it that makes this physical law so obstreperous that every attempt at a clear formulation seems to have failed? Is it just the usual sloppiness of physicists? Or is there a deeper problem? And what exactly is the connection with the arrow of time and irreversibility? Could it be that this is also just based on bluff? Perhaps readers will shrug their shoulders over these questions. Thermodynamics is obsolete; for a better understanding of the problem we should turn to more recent, statistical theories. But even then the questions we are about to study have more than a purely historical importance. The problem of reproducing the Second Law, perhaps in an adapted version, remains one of the toughest, and controversial problems in statistical physics. (...) This summary leads to the question whether it is fruitful to see irreversibility or time- asymmetry as the essence of the second law. Is it not more straightforward, in view of the unargued statements of Kelvin, the bold claims of Clausius and the strained attempts of Planck, to give up this idea? I believe that Ehrenfest-Afanassjewa was right in her verdict that the discussion about the arrow of time as expressed in the second law of the thermodynamics is actually a RED HERRING." In other words, thermodynamics is OFFICIALLY dead but postscientists are entitled to teach it until the death of science as a whole is officially declared. The same holds true for relativity although high priests found it suitable to announce its official death only recently: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026831.500-what-makes-the-universe-tick.html "General relativity knits together space, time and gravity. Confounding all common sense, how time passes in Einstein's universe depends on what you are doing and where you are. Clocks run faster when the pull of gravity is weaker, so if you live up a skyscraper you age ever so slightly faster than you would if you lived on the ground floor, where Earth's gravitational tug is stronger. "General relativity completely changed our understanding of time," says Carlo Rovelli, a theoretical physicist at the University of the Mediterranean in Marseille, France.....It is still not clear who is right, says John Norton, a philosopher based at the University of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Norton is hesitant to express it, but his instinct - and the consensus in physics - seems to be that space and time exist on their own. The trouble with this idea, though, is that it doesn't sit well with relativity, which describes space-time as a malleable fabric whose geometry can be changed by the gravity of stars, planets and matter." http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Goodies/passage/index.html John Norton, 1 Mar 2009: "A common belief among philosophers of physics is that the passage of time of ordinary experience is merely an illusion. The idea is seductive since it explains away the awkward fact that our best physical theories of space and time have yet to capture this passage. I urge that we should resist the idea. We know what illusions are like and how to detect them. Passage exhibits no sign of being an illusion....Following from the work of Einstein, Minkowski and many more, physics has given a wonderfully powerful conception of space and time. Relativity theory, in its most perspicacious form, melds space and time together to form a four- dimensional spacetime. The study of motion in space and and all other processes that unfold in them merely reduce to the study of an odd sort of geometry that prevails in spacetime. In many ways, time turns out to be just like space. In this spacetime geometry, there are differences between space and time. But a difference that somehow captures the passage of time is not to be found. There is no passage of time. There are temporal orderings. We can identify earlier and later stages of temporal processes and everything in between. What we cannot find is a passing of those stages that recapitulates the presentation of the successive moments to our consciousness, all centered on the one preferred moment of "now." At first, that seems like an extraordinary lacuna. It is, it would seem, a failure of our best physical theories of time to capture one of time's most important properties. However the longer one works with the physics, the less worrisome it becomes....I was, I confess, a happy and contented believer that passage is an illusion. It did bother me a little that we seemed to have no idea of just how the news of the moments of time gets to be rationed to consciousness in such rigid doses.....Now consider the passage of time. Is there a comparable reason in the known physics of space and time to dismiss it as an illusion? I know of none. The only stimulus is a negative one. We don't find passage in our present theories and we would like to preserve the vanity that our physical theories of time have captured all the important facts of time. So we protect our vanity by the stratagem of dismissing passage as an illusion." Pentcho Valev wrote: Postscientists destroying the One True Science's enemies: http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/valevfaq.htm Athel Cornish-Bowden: "Reading Mr Valevs postings to the BTK-MCA and other news groups and trying to answer all the nonsense contained in them incurs the risk of being so time-consuming that it takes over ones professional time completely, leaving none for more profitable activities. On the other hand, not answering them incurs the even greater risk that some readers of the news group may think that his points are unanswerable and that thermodynamics, kinetics, catalysis etc. rest on as fragile a foundation as he pretends. (...) Puzzlement on this subject extends even to Bulgaria, as B. V. Toshev, head of the Departments of Physical Chemistry and of Chemistry Education at the University of Sofia, noted in a message to the Chemistry Education Discussion List in April 2005, when he asked: "Who is Pentcho Valev? What is his education? Nobody in Bulgaria knows that. He does not belong either to the researchers or to the Bulgarian education community. I even wonder if he is a real man?!" (...) There is probably no law in science that has been tested so thoroughly, by so many people, over such a long period. (Why? Because lots of people would like it to be wrong, and if they could find a loophole it might well make them very rich; as Benno ter Kuile pointed out, an instant Nobel prize would be only a minor part of the rewards). None of them has been able to disprove it, so the only reasonable interpretation for the reasonable person is that it is true. Mr Valev thinks otherwise, and there was a great deal of discussion of this during May to September 1997, during which period Mr Valevs scheme for tangling the threads was so successful that you will have great difficulty trying to follow any of the arguments. Suffice it to say that if Mr Valev really believed what he was saying he would not be writing nonsense on this news group, he would be building the machine that would make him the richest man in Bulgaria (or even the world)." http://web.mst.edu/~gbert/hoaxes.html Gary Bertrand: "The Troll disappeared from the Chem Ed Discussion List around 2007, then apparently re-located to the West Coast and reappeared in 2008 with a new persona. This one repeatedly posted the tired old quotes about Relativity, and responded repeatedly to his own postings. Only recently, has he ventured back into the area of Thermodynamics, where he clearly doesn't understand the postings of his predecessors. (...) In continuing his silliness from a discussion above, the Troll refutes the validity of Partial Differential Equations, while blaming it on the Second Law of Thermodynamics. One can prove a lot of things with partial differential equations if the independent variables are not specified." The same postscientists freeing the world from the stranglehold of the One True Science: http://www.beilstein-institut.de/bozen2004/proceedings/CornishBowden/CornishBowden.htm ATHEL CORNISH-BOWDEN: "The concept of entropy was introduced to thermodynamics by Clausius, who deliberately chose an obscure term for it, wanting a word based on Greek roots that would sound similar to "energy". In this way he hoped to have a word that would mean the same to everyone regardless of their language, and, as Cooper [2] remarked, he succeeded in this way in finding a word that meant the same to everyone: NOTHING. From the beginning it proved a very difficult concept for other thermodynamicists, even including such accomplished mathematicians as Kelvin and Maxwell; Kelvin, indeed, despite his own major contributions to the subject, never appreciated the idea of entropy [3]. The difficulties that Clausius created have continued to the present day, with the result that a fundamental idea that is absolutely necessary for understanding the theory of chemical equilibria continues to give trouble, not only to students but also to scientists who need the concept for their work." http://mailer.uwf.edu/listserv/wa.exe?A2=ind0910&L=chemed-l&T=0&O=D&P=31671 Gary Bertrand: "Whether or not the Second Law is useless depends on how you are stating the Second Law. I said what I consider to be the Second Law. And yes, I find the statement that the entropy of the Universe must always increase to be useless." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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