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Article #1114Re: EINSTEIN WRONG: THE SHORTEST PROOF
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:43
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:43
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On Sep 13, 10:18 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 13, 6:28 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Premise: Einstein's equivalence principle > > > Conclusions: > > If the speed of light varies with the gravitational potential V in > > accordance with Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) given by > > Newton's emission theory of light, then the speed of light varies with > > the speed of the light source v in accordance with the equation c'=c+v > > given again by Newton's emission theory of light, that is, Einstein's > > 1905 light postulate is false. > > > If the speed of light varies with the gravitational potential V in > > accordance with Einstein's 1915 equation c'=c(1+2V/c^2), then the > > speed of light varies with the speed of the light source v in > > accordance with the equation c'=c+2v, that is, Einstein's 1905 light > > postulate is false. > > Nonsense, Pentcho. The variation of light speed as observed across a > gravitational potential is clearly a statement made in a non-inertial > frame. > The second postulate explicitly refers to the speed of light being > invariant in *inertial* reference frames. A light source on top of a tower of height h emits light with frequency f, speed c (relative to the source) and wavelength L. A receiver on the ground receives light with frequency f', speed c' (relative to the receiver) and wavelength L'. According to Newton's emission theory of light: f'=f(1+gh/c^2); c'=c(1+gh/c^2); L'=L A rocket of length h accelerates with acceleration g. A light source at the front end emits light with frequency f, speed c (relative to the source) and wavelength L. A receiver at the back end receives light with frequency f', speed c' (relative to the receiver) and wavelength L'. At the moment of reception, the receiver has speed v relative to the light source at the moment of emission. According to Newton's emission theory of light: f'=f(1+v/c); c'=c+v; L'=L Einstein did not offer any reasonable alternative to the variation of the speed of light in a gravitational field predicted by the emission theory. Initially he was just using the equation c'=c(1+gh/c^2), then quite stupidly (or dishonestly) replaced it with c'=c(1+2gh/c^2): http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is not constant in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c^2 ) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured." http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s6-01/6-01.htm "In geometrical units we define c_0 = 1, so Einstein's 1911 formula can be written simply as c=1+phi. However, this formula for the speed of light (not to mention this whole approach to gravity) turned out to be incorrect, as Einstein realized during the years leading up to 1915 and the completion of the general theory. In fact, the general theory of relativity doesn't give any equation for the speed of light at a particular location, because the effect of gravity cannot be represented by a simple scalar field of c values. Instead, the "speed of light" at a each point depends on the direction of the light ray through that point, as well as on the choice of coordinate systems, so we can't generally talk about the value of c at a given point in a non- vanishing gravitational field. However, if we consider just radial light rays near a spherically symmetrical (and non- rotating) mass, and if we agree to use a specific set of coordinates, namely those in which the metric coefficients are independent of t, then we can read a formula analogous to Einstein's 1911 formula directly from the Schwarzschild metric. (...) In the Newtonian limit the classical gravitational potential at a distance r from mass m is phi=-m/r, so if we let c_r = dr/dt denote the radial speed of light in Schwarzschild coordinates, we have c_r =1+2phi, which corresponds to Einstein's 1911 equation, except that we have a factor of 2 instead of 1 on the potential term." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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