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Article #1174Re: GREAT DEDUCTIVISTS RAGING IN NATURAL SCIENCES
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:25
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:25
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More REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM. The problem: Initially the observer is at rest relative to the light source but then starts moving towards the source. The frequency (measured by the observer) increases. Does the speed of light (relative to the observer) increase as well or does it remain constant? (1) Premise: The principle of relativity (2) Premise: Einstein's 1905 light postulate (3) Premise: (frequency)=(speed of light)/(wavelength) (4) Premise: The wavelength is determined by the light source and is independent of the movements of the observer (5) Conclusion: The speed of light remains constant 1,2 (6) Conclusion: The speed of light increases 3,4 Clearly Einstein's 1905 light postulate is false and should be abandoned. Unfortunately much more should be abandoned: Albert Einstein: "If the speed of light is the least bit affected by the speed of the light source, then my whole theory of relativity and theory of gravity is false." http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=317&Itemid=81&lecture_id=3576 John Stachel: "Einstein discussed the other side of the particle-field dualism - get rid of fields and just have particles." Albert Einstein 1954: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary physics." John Stachel's comment: "If I go down, everything goes down, ha ha, hm, ha ha ha." http://www.amazon.com/Faster-Than-Speed-Light-Speculation/dp/0738205257 Joao Magueijo: "What Einstein realized was that if c did not change, then something else had to give. That something was the idea of universal and unchanging space and time. This is deeply, maddeningly counterintuitive. In our everyday lives, space and time are perceived as rigid and universal. Instead, Einstein conceived of space and time- space-time-as a thing that could flex and change, expanding and shrinking according to the relative motions of the observer and the thing observed. The only aspect of the universe that didn't change was the speed of light. And ever since, the constancy of the speed of light has been woven into the very fabric of physics, into the way physics equations are written, even into the notation used. Nowadays, to "vary" the speed of light is not even a swear word: It is simply not present in the vocabulary of physics. Hundreds of experiments have verified this basic tenet, and the theory of relativity has become central to our understanding of how the universe works." http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm Bryan Wallace: "Einstein's special relativity theory with his second postulate that the speed of light in space is constant is the linchpin that holds the whole range of modern physics theories together. Shatter this postulate, and modern physics becomes an elaborate farce!....The speed of light is c+v." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com On Aug 27 Pentcho Valev wrote: > Deductive systems establish a procedure whereby one passes from a > premise or premises to a conclusion. The derivations are usually > presented as a sequence of numbered lines. For instance: > > (1) Premise A > (2) Premise B > (3) Conclusion C 1,2 > (4) Conclusion D 2,3 > (5) .................... > > The entry to the right of line (4) shows that that line was obtained > from the second and third lines, that is, that Conclusion D was > deduced from Premise B and Conclusion C. > > This particular presentation of the derivations as a sequence of > numbered lines seems practical and yet it has never been and will > never be used by great deductivists raging in natural sciences. The > reason is easy to see if one first considers the bug-rivet story: > > http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/Relativ/bugrivet.html > "The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is > similar to the pole-barn paradox.....The end of the rivet hits the > bottom of the hole before the head of the rivet hits the wall. So it > looks like the bug is squashed.....All this is nonsense from the bug's > point of view. The rivet head hits the wall when the rivet end is just > 0.35 cm down in the hole! The rivet doesn't get close to the > bug....The paradox is not resolved." > > and then tries to imagine the following sequence of numbered lines > published in both the journal Nature and the journal Science: > > (1) Premise: The principle of relativity > (2) Premise: Einstein's 1905 light postulate > (3) Conclusion: Time dilation 1,2 > (4) Conclusion: Length contraction 2,3 > (5) Conclusion: The bug is dead 4 > (6) Conclusion: The bug is alive 4 > > In the era of Postscientism REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM is called "paradox" > and yet great deductivists raging in natural sciences wholeheartedly > avoid the presentation of the derivations as a sequence of numbered > lines.
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