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Re: DOPPLER EFFECT, SPEED OF LIGHT AND EINSTEINIANA'S TEACHERS

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From: Mathal
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:36
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On Aug 10, 12:14 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If the observer suddenly starts moving towards the light source, the
> frequency of light increases (Doppler effect). This has a SIMPLE
> IMPLICATION: the wavecrests are now bumping more frequently into the
> observer, that is, THE SPEED OF LIGHT RELATIVE TO THE OBSERVER HAS
> INCREASED. "But this is fatal for Divine Albert's Divine Theory" - say
> to themselves Einsteiniana's teachers and replace the SIMPLE
> IMPLICATION with an IDIOTIC ONE:
>
> http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/big_bang/ind...
> John Norton: "Here's a light wave and an observer. If the observer
> were to hurry towards the source of the light, the observer would now
> pass wavecrests more frequently than the resting observer. That would
> mean that moving observer would find the frequency of the light to
> have increased (AND CORRESPONDINGLY FOR THE WAVELENGTH - THE DISTANCE
> BETWEEN CRESTS - TO HAVE DECREASED)."
>
> Einsteiniana's teachers know quite well that the wavelength is
> determined by the light source and cannot depend on the movements of
> the observer. So Stephen Hawking has offered better camouflage: when
> the light source, not the observer, starts moving, the wavelength
> shift looks less idiotic:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168
> Stephen Hawking, "A Brief History of Time", Chapter 3:
> "In the 1920s, when astronomers began to look at the spectra of stars
> in other galaxies, they found something most peculiar: there were the
> same characteristic sets of missing colors as for stars in our own
> galaxy, but they were all shifted by the same relative amount toward
> the red end of the spectrum. To understand the implications of this,
> we must first understand the Doppler effect. As we have seen, visible
> light consists of fluctuations, or waves, in the electromagnetic
> field. The wavelength (or distance from one wave crest to the next) of
> light is extremely small, ranging from four to seven ten-millionths of
> a meter. The different wavelengths of light are what the human eye
> sees as different colors, with the longest wavelengths appearing at
> the red end of the spectrum and the shortest wavelengths at the blue
> end. Now imagine a source of light at a constant distance from us,
> such as a star, emitting waves of light at a constant wavelength.
> Obviously the wavelength of the waves we receive will be the same as
> the wavelength at which they are emitted (the gravitational field of
> the galaxy will not be large enough to have a significant effect).
> Suppose now that the source starts moving toward us. When the source
> emits the next wave crest it will be nearer to us, so the distance
> between wave crests will be smaller than when the star was stationary.
> This means that the wavelength of the waves we receive is shorter than
> when the star was stationary. Correspondingly, if the source is moving
> away from us, the wavelength of the waves we receive will be longer.
> In the case of light, therefore, means that stars moving away from us
> will have their spectra shifted toward the red end of the spectrum
> (red-shifted) and those moving toward us will have their spectra blue-
> shifted."
>
> Pentcho Valev
> pva...@yahoo.com


  Bottom line- photons have a wavelength which varies with the
relative velocity of the receiver WRT the sender of the photon. It
is anthopomorphic thinking to suggest that a photon has a frequency.
We -the anthro's, began reciving radio signals from radio stations
by turning a dial which brushed along a long coil of wire shortening
or lengthening the active length of the coil in the circuit. The
shorter the length the higher the frequency and the longer the coil
length the lower the frequency of the circuit. The
 radio station amplifies it's analagous cicuit and broadcasts it out
to the radio receivers. As long as the receiver is tuned to the same
frequency photons will be absorbed into the circuit and amplified
and translated into sound.

An electron doesn't send out a wave of light ,it sends out discreet
photons of a particular wavelength. Electrons in a radio circuit are
sending a particular wavelength of light. -I'm talking pre-FM radio,
and yes fortunately radio stations are not entirely discreet or
reception would require more fidelity than we are capable of.
Generally this is how it works.

   The only way we can capture photons of a particular wavelength is
to have circuits with a frequency analagous to this wavelength. If
you stop thinking of discreet photons having a frequency you will
have a better chance of understanding what a photon is. Back to the
radio -at a radio station's frequency -it is the  frequency of the
photons received that varies both the volume and frequency of the
sound the radio produces.

   Mathal
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