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Article #1194Re: EINSTEINIANS DISCUSS NEWTON'S EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:14
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:14
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On Aug 19, 12:09 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Development_of_Our_Views_on_the_Com... > The Development of Our Views on the Composition and Essence of > Radiation by Albert Einstein > Albert Einstein 1909: "A large body of facts shows undeniably that > light has certain fundamental properties that are better explained by > Newton's emission theory of light than by the oscillation theory. For > this reason, I believe that the next phase in the development of > theoretical physics will bring us a theory of light that can be > considered a fusion of the oscillation and emission theories. The > purpose of the following remarks is to justify this belief and to show > that a profound change in our views on the composition and essence of > light is imperative.....Then the electromagnetic fields that make up > light no longer appear as a state of a hypothetical medium, but rather > as independent entities that the light source gives off, just as in > Newton's emission theory of light......Relativity theory has changed > our views on light. Light is conceived not as a manifestation of the > state of some hypothetical medium, but rather as an independent entity > like matter. Moreover, this theory shares with the corpuscular theory > of light the unusual property that light carries inertial mass from > the emitting to the absorbing object." > > http://books.google.com/books?id=JokgnS1JtmMC > "Relativity and Its Roots" By Banesh Hoffmann > p.92: "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had > suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, > the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding > train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train at rest; the > speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object > emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume > that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to > Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for the null > result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to > contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as > we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null > result in terms of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian > ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more > or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether." > > James H. Smith "Introduction à la relativité" EDISCIENCE 1969 pp. > 39-41: "Si la lumière était un flot de particules mécaniques obéissant > aux lois de la mécanique, il n'y aurait aucune difficulté à comprendre > les résultats de l'expérience de Michelson-Morley.... Supposons, par > exemple, qu'une fusée se déplace avec une vitesse (1/2)c par rapport à > un observateur et qu'un rayon de lumière parte de son nez. Si la > vitesse de la lumière signifiait vitesse des "particules" de la > lumière par rapport à leur source, alors ces "particules" de lumière > se déplaceraient à la vitesse c/2+c=(3/2)c par rapport à > l'observateur. Mais ce comportement ne ressemble pas du tout à celui > d'une onde, car les ondes se propagent à une certaine vitesse par > rapport au milieu dans lequel elles se développent et non pas à une > certaine vitesse par rapport à leur source..... Il nous faut insister > sur le fait suivant: QUAND EINSTEIN PROPOSA QUE LA VITESSE DE LA > LUMIERE SOIT INDEPENDANTE DE CELLE DE LA SOURCE, IL N'EN EXISTAIT > AUCUNE PREUVE EXPERIMENTALE. IL LE POSTULA PAR PURE NECESSITE > LOGIQUE." > > http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/companion.doc > Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Problems in the > Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies that Led him to it > John Norton: "Einstein could not see how to formulate a fully > relativistic electrodynamics merely using his new device of field > transformations. So he considered the possibility of modifying > Maxwell's electrodynamics in order to bring it into accord with an > emission theory of light, such as Newton had originally conceived. > There was some inevitability in these attempts, as long as he held to > classical (Galilean) kinematics. Imagine that some emitter sends out a > light beam at c. According to this kinematics, an observer who moves > past at v in the opposite direction, will see the emitter moving at v > and the light emitted at c+v. This last fact is the defining > characteristic of an emission theory of light: the velocity of the > emitter is added vectorially to the velocity of light emitted....If an > emission theory can be formulated as a field theory, it would seem to > be unable to determine the future course of processes from their state > in the present. AS LONG AS EINSTEIN EXPECTED A VIABLE THEORY LIGHT, > ELECTRICITY AND MAGNETISM TO BE A FIELD THEORY, these sorts of > objections would render an EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT INADMISSIBLE." > > http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=vi... > John Stachel: "Einstein discussed the other side of the particle-field > dualism - get rid of fields and just have particles." > Albert Einstein 1954: "I consider it entirely possible that PHYSICS > CANNOT BE BASED UPON THE FIELD CONCEPT, THAT IS ON CONTINUOUS > STRUCTURES. Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, > including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of > contemporary physics." > John Stachel's comment: "If I go down, everything goes down, ha ha, > hm, ha ha ha." > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com What size is the light wave at emmision? If it is a radio wave does it form all at once? And for a very very big wave how does it form if everything is local as Einstein believed? I say it starts infinitely small and grows to its wavelength. Otherwise light would itself have to be nonlocal and form faster than light. Mitch Raemsch
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