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Article #1258Re: THE SHORTEST HISTORY OF THERMODYNAMICS
From: Tim Golden BandTech.com
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:40
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:40
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On Aug 6, 1:17 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote: > On Aug 1, 11:58 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote: > > > Pentcho Valev wrote: > > > > In 1824 Sadi Carnot advanced a false premise and deduced a conclusion > > > later called "the second law of thermodynamics": > > [snip rest of crap] > > > 1) Power plants. > > 2) Refrigeration. > > 3) idiot > > [snip no crap] > > 1) Maxwell Demon > 2) Information Theory > 3) Life [weeds growing under my brick sidewalk] > > Idiot I like to think of thermodynamics as an open problem. Consider the rate of heat propagation in a solid. It is extremely slow. While sound might travel through a solid rod in a millisecond the heat could take minutes to propagate. The slowness does not mesh with the interpretation of heat as vibrating matter. I find little discussion in this context. I think that as gravity or mass has been redeclared an open problem so will heat be. As an antireference I use Kittel's 5th edition of Introduction to Solid State Physics, where phonon theory is presented. No discussion in terms of time related behaviors takes place. Heat capacity and conductivity are studied, a mean free path is discussed, but the extremely divergent behaviors between mechanical lattice vibrations and heat in terms of propagation in time are not discussed. I'm sorry I've not responded very directly to Pentcho's OP, but I do like where he is going. Thanks Pentcho. - Tim
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