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Uirgil has doubt's about his faith - no evidence for Dawkin's Gods:
> On 1/04/2012 4:53 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 1/04/2012 9:46 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>> On 1/04/2012 8:46 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 23/02/2012 4:23 PM, microm2011@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> It is common sense that science ought not be fighting innocent
>>>>> people's beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> Science does not fight religion, atheism does, and atheism
>>>> is not science, it's an ideology with one basic idea which in
>>>> the 20th century killed over 80,000,000 people in the atheist
>>>> regimes of Lenin, Stalin Mao and Pol Pot.. far more than any
>>>> religion.


Mo one disputes the historical facts, which disprove for all time the
atheist hypothesis that they are more rational than the civilisations 
influenced by religion.

So the atheists always return to sterile and pointless arguments about
THE EXISTENCE of GOD!    pffffft!

>>>>> But both sides have went to far...
>>>>
>>>> Exactly, the extremes of atheist regimes in the modern era
>>>> and of religious theocracies (fortunately no longer the norm,
>>>> as majority religious societies around the world have
>>>> evolved free, open, tolerant, progressive, rights-based secular
>>>> democracies (something no atheist state ever managed to do).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Atheist mean one
>>
>> I agree with your definition of an atheist, especially
>> the ones responsible for the atheist holocaust.
>>
 >>> without a theology!

So the complete SUPPRESSION of belief in the atheist regimes of
the 20th century was MORE tyrannical than any religious societies of 
earlier times, and FAR MORE evil and violent than the modern, free, 
open, tolerant secular democratic states which MAJORITY religious 
societies built in EVERY instance, not one decent democracy was EVER 
achieved by atheist governments!   B^o

>> But do you think 'mean one' really covers the bestial tyranny
>> that EVERY atheist regime in history has been? The brutality
>> of atheist states was exceptional.
>>
>>> Theists and non theists.
>>> One is no more or less moral than the other.
>>
>> Clearly not true, in the modern era majority theist societies
>> have evolved the free open, progressive, tolerant secular states
>> ..something which no atheist regime ever did.
>>
>> Unlike religion, then, the history of Atheism is one of
>> UNMITIGATED terror torture and Mass murder.. in EVERY atheist
>> state ever to curse humanity by existing!!!!

The evidence of History is CLEAR and unambiguous!


>> You need to develop a sense of moral judgement, fairness and balance.
>>
>>
>>>>> The extremes need to lose on both sides.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Exactly, Religious civilisations have progressively muted their
>>>> extremes (the modern secular democracies created by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>>>> societies are far superior to any religious society of the ancient or
>>>> medieval times) and the Atheist regimes have reduced their extremes by
>>>> collapsing catastrophically, leaving only a tiny remnant of weak,
>>>> ineffectual, irrational atheist drones, who are allowed to flog the
>>>> dead horse of Fundamentalism as a minor public service to the rest of us
>>>> (we let them delude themselves that they are slaying dragons, when
>>>> fundamentalism is already defeated by the secularism the moderate
>>>> religious majority installed to ENSURE freedom of thought and belief,
>>>> including non-belief. ;-).
>>>>
>>>> [See Bukakke for an example of pathological Tilting at Windmills,
>>>> a la Don Quixote! B^]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Raemsch
>
> Science fights the claims of those

..Like Dawkins..

"these Gods came into being by an explicable scientific
  progression of incremental evolution."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

 > claiming that they have
 > objective physical evidence (scientific evidence) of
 > the truth of their claimed gods, angels, etc.,

But neither Dawkins nor any other atheist can ever show
any EVIDENCE for the 'evolution' of "GODS"!!!!!!!!!

It's a BELIEF of their Atheist FAITH!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA!

> that Evolution is false

Darwin's isn't,  there is plenty of evidence for Natural Selection..

but Dawkin's "'evolution', of Gods" is pure BULLSHIT!  B^D

As Vurgil already admitted:

# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vurgil@arg.erg>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
#   alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
#   uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
# Organization: Vurgil
# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
# Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170.22320217032012@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an  explicable scientific progression
# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all


>  there is no scientific evidence supporting global warming.

You are  wrong on that one too!   B^D

So stop trying to change the subject, you fraud and liar!

> Atheism does not in general fight religion,

too gutless and cowardly.. only when they have a regime controlling 
thugs in the secret police and military do they unleash their true 
nature..  terror, torture and mass murder of over 80,000,000 people
in the atheist tyrannies; USSR, Maoist China and Pol Pots Cambodia!

Dawkins
>  gods and such do not exist,

We know, you have already denounced him as a liar!

Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170.22320217032012@bignews.usenetmonster.com>

The atheists Gods are PURE DELUSION..

> they have never been proven
> via objective physical evidence to exist.

And yet you blind atheist believers STILL BELIEVE IN THEM!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAH

Just like the theists, whose belief in God, no less
well evidenced than yours, you deny and abuse them as fools for believing:

 > atheism does deny those claims of religions

And then you hypocrites turn around and STEAL their ideas!

De Botton says Steal the PRAXIS of religion, all the good things it 
does, and  Dawkin's simply STEALS THE IDEA OF GOD, claims that It's 
plausible that Gods exist in the universe and then INVENTS an atheist one!

Hilarious!

>>>> and atheism is not science
>
> Science is based on not accepting any claims unsupported by objective
> physical evidence.

Like those made by Dawkin's about your atheist Gods!

> So atheism runs

it always does when challenged for EVIDENCE!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE

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The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it,
including all the ones who eagerly embraced Dawkin's
even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he claims
'came into being'(sic)

 From his book Launch:

"A few years ago it struck me that there is a resource
that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation,
and an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and
has dominated the mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years
I'm thinking, of course, of religion.

And the problem is, I'm an atheist."

    Yes, that's certainly a problem for any atheist!   B^D

    or for anyone living in any of the atheist regimes they ran! B^[

"Not just a bit of an atheist, I really am an atheist."

    You make it sound like you expect people not to believe atheists!

    B^D

"So, this doesn't, in a way, make me an ideal cantidate to write
about religion, but at some point it did strike me that religions
cannot be, in the words of Christopher Hitchins, "the source of
the poison of everything", it's implausible, they've been around
for thousands of years, they reflect the collaborative intelligences
and sensitivities of millions of people and the idea that everything
to do with them is false and wicked just didn't start to stand up to
the scrutiny I applied to it, as I thought more about the subject.

So, that's really the fruit of my thinking"


    That religion is really the source of so so many good and useful
    contributions to civilisation that Hitchin's malicious lies just
    don't stand up..  8^o  and as atheism is devoid of anything
    worthwhile itself, it needs to STEAL some of the many great ideas
    religion has to offer:


" my new book,Religion for Atheists is a deliberate attempt
   to look at a number of areas where I believe that religions
   have things to offer for non-believers"

Sure,  Truth, Love, Compassion, Justice, Sincerity, Charity,
        Mercy, Courage, Integrity..
        all the virtues atheism lacks, and doesn't even understand, all
        the spiritual values that atheists reject completely...


# From: Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net>
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# Budikka



" ..and perhaps believers know about these things already,
     but for non-believers I wanted to look at that."

"It strikes me that at the moment the world is really divided into
believers and non-believers and the debate has become at times very
fierce, there are people, some of whom live in North Oxford who
have suggested not only that religion is unbelievable but also
that it's ridiculous, and that people who believe in anything are
simpletons, maniacs  .. people who must be lectured at, to remove
the folly of their intellectual errors."


    We all know the "person from North Oxford" he's criticising for
    being such an arrogant, rabid demagogue with extreme views, is
    Richard Dawkins            B^]

"That's not really my approach, I think such an approach is sterile,
I don't think one makes progress"

    True, Dawkins extreme militancy and all the money spent on Bus
    ad lies to proselytise for new atheist converts never worked!

"It doesn't strike me that this is really a productive way
to go forward."

    Mate, I have been telling the dimwitted Dawkinite Drones that
    for YEARS now!   But they are completely blind to reason!  B^D

" How do you live a good life outside of a religious structure?

    Well that's silly, when the good life you want to emulate
    exists WITHIN that moral framework and claims that the SPIRITUAL
    values are what brings life to the attempts at self-transformation!

    It's like you want the Light from a lightbulb, using only
    the physical MATTER, not invisible, electromagnetic ENERGY!  B^D

    It's been tried in EVERY atheist state and failed!   B^]

    How can these atheist 'thinkers' be so dumb?

"This is THE question facing modern society, and we haven't
necessarily answered it that well."

    You atheists have NEVER answered it, B^D  but the majority
    religious societies that you want to emulate clearly have!   B^]

"I think it's a legitimate question and my book is an
attempt to answer that question."

    Sure, the hilarious part is that you think atheism needs
    to copy religion ...because it HAS the answer already!!!!

            BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!

    Just what Dawkins, Bukakke, Vurgil and all the other
    ex-atheist believers are trying to do!    ;-)

    Except, THEY are copying the BELIEFs in Supernatural Beings,
    i.e. they are FABRICATING GODS to WORSHIP!  (Just
    like every atheist tyranny tried to do with political cultism ;-)

     Whereas De Botton wants to steal the PRAXIS of religion:    B^D

"My starting point is to say that we should learn to STEAL from
religions."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!

    Priceless!   The starting point for Atheist 'philosophy' is
    that having no ideas of their own the unoriginal atheists
    need to pinch the ideas of the, more successful, religious!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA




"you know some people have accused me of advocating a
'pick and mix'approach to religions, and I say you know what?
you're absolutely right, that's completely what I'm doing,
a pick and mix approach.

Some people have said  'religion's are not a buffet, from which
you can go round choosing the best bits', and my answer is yes they are.
And that's precidsely what I'm doing.  So i've taken my plate,
and I've gone round the different faiths, and I've done precisely that."

     -  Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
                         The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne  19/3/2012


http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm

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