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On 24 Apr, 21:45, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
> On 23 apr, 23:25, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0700 (PDT),
> > "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
> > >On 23 apr, 21:19, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT),
> > >> "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
> > >> >So the universe DID exist a biilion years ago because we can
> > >> >experience electro magnetic waves coming from a billion lightyears
> > >> >away right NOW!
> > >> >Peter van Velzen
> > >> >April 23, 2008
> > >> >Amstelveen
> > >> >The Netherlands
> > >> [Hammond]
> > >> � �WRONG.
> > >> The 13 billion year old electromagnetic waves didn't come
> > >> into "existence" until MAN came into existence 200,000 years
> > >> ago.
> > >> This is because here was no such thing as "EXISTENCE" before
> > >> MAN came into existence, BECAUSE "existence" is a property
> > >> of the human mind. �No humans, no existence.
> > >> The fact that we can see 13 billion year old electromagnetic
> > >> waves coming in from outer space merely means that:
> > >> � � � � The "exixtence" of of 13 billion year old
> > >> � � � � �e.m. waves came into "existence" 200,000
> > >> � � � � �years ago when Man came into existence
> > >> � � � � �because TIME ITSELF came into existence
> > >> � � � � �when Man came into existence.
> > <SNIP CRAP>
> > >I am afraid the meaning of the word existence as you see it, only
> > >exists in your mind, and not in that of other people.
> > [Hammond]
> >    Wrong Pizzaman.  Religion is FOUNDED on exactly my
> > explanation of "existence".  In case you haven't noticed 85%
> > of the world's population are adherents to one of the 5
> > major faiths.  This means 85% of the world agrees with my
> > definition of "existence" in principle when it comes to the
> > scientific phenomenon of "God".
> You are saying that religious people generally admit that the only
> reason why something exists is because they believe it to exist?
> I wish they did,
> but they don't.
> Apperantly  you do,
> which in my opinion makes you an atheist.
> Peter van Velzen
> April 2008
> Amstelveen
> The Netherlands

All he is saying is that IF what he says is true, such and such a
thing follows. Apart from the credulous few, one would hope nobody got
anything but such an impression.

In the physical sphere, the past causes the future; in the human
sphere, the future causes the past.
--
'foolsrushin.'