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Article #1341Re: Need Help With c-Invariance
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:13
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:13
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On Feb 9, 1:11 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in sci.physics.research: > Aaron Arcsec wrote: > > I just > > cannot conceive of any way that c invariance can occur, not even on > > paper, much less experimentally. > > There are basically two ways that MEASUREMENTS of light's vacuum speed > can be independent of inertial frame: > > A) The intrinsic properties of the measuring instruments change when > they are at rest in different inertial frames. > > B) Measurements in different inertial frames measure a light wave > differently. > > (A) is essentially the answer of LET, the Lorentz Ether Theory. Lorentz > postulated a unique inertial frame in which the ether is at rest, and > that clocks and rulers change properties when moving relative to the > ether. After all, it is the electromagnetic properties of atoms that > determine their size and energy levels, and the ether "implements" those > properties, so this is not totally unwarranted. > > (B) is essentially the answer of SR. When an observer in frame S watches > an observer in frame S' measure the speed of light, S notes that S' does > not use synchronized clocks, and that the S' clocks and rulers do not > match up with those in S, even though they are identically constructed > and do match up when at rest in the same inertial frame. These > differences conspire to make S' obtain the same answer as S (i.e. c). > These differences are at base geometrical, and are directly analogous to > using rotated coordinates in Euclidean space, in which an invariant > length is projected onto the x,y axes differently from the x',y' axes -- > a rotation in the x-t plane is a relative velocity (though it is a > hyperbolic rotation, not a circular one), in which an invariant interval > between measurement events is projected onto the x,t axes differently > from the x',t' axes. > > It is the invariance of the length that dictates how the > projections onto x,y and x',y' are related for the Euclidean > rotation. Similarly, the invariance of the interval dictates > how the projections onto x,t and x',t' are related for the > hyperbolic rotation corresponding to relative motion. Only > the Lorentz and Galilean transforms are physically and > mathematically possible, and experiments unambiguously > select the Lorentz transform. Honest Roberts, which transform would the Michelson-Morley experiment have selected if FitzGerald and Lorentz had not introduced the ad hoc auxiliary hypothesis according to which length of moving objects contracted? Then, which transform would the Pound-Rebka experiment have selected if brothers Einsteinians had applied Einstein's equivalence principle and accordingly had shown that the experimentally confirmed gravitational redshift factor (1+V/c^2) was inconsistent with Einstein's 1905 light postulate c'=c and consistent with its antithesis c'=c+v given by Newton's emission theory of light? Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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