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On Feb 9, 7:44 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:39 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
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> > NoEinstein wrote:
> > > On Feb 6, 6:15 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > Dear Pentcho V.:  Stephen Hawking writes and speaks in an edifying
> > > manner (even via machine).  But he himself admits to being poor at
> > > visualizing moving spatial systems "relative" to one another.
> > > Einstein liked to "edify", too.  He did so by explaining time and
> > > motion examples in such minute and boring detail, that he insulted
> > > most engineers and architects (like myself) who have NO problem
> > > visualizing 3-D anything!
>
> > > The first huge blunder Einstein made was to insist that: “All
> > > 'observers' of events should record the same data."
>
> > You should actually read some history and some physics. This
> > is not what was said.  In fact, the whole point is that this
> > is not true.
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> >   Einstein DECLARED> the later, NOT Mother Nature!  Any surveyor used to working with
> > > spatial problems has little problem calculating when events occur.
> > > But because having things be seen… ‘the same’, was a SIMPLIFICATION of
> > > problems already way over the heads of non engineers and architects,
> > > dumb scientists just embraced that notion…  Now, we have the dregs of
> > > mentality holding back World Progress——just to protect their GD egos,
> > > and continue the space-time nonsense!
>
> > > Pentcho is certainly more right than wrong.  In a ’Nutshell’ *** He
> > > agrees that Albert Einstein is WRONG. ***  The latter is more than
> > > those in academia can rise to understand.  Isn’t it time to quit
> > > playing nice, and to call ‘an ace and ace and a spade a spade’?  Those
> > > who defend Einstein are to be cursed and damned!!  —— NoEinstein ——
>
> > Except that you have shown nothing wrong with Einstein's work.
> > Learn some physics.
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> > >>On Feb 6, 1:58 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >>>On Feb 5, 7:39 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >>>>On Feb 5, 3:16 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >>>>>On Feb 5, 2:05 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >>>>>>For the sake of argument, let us assume that the Michelson-Morley
> > >>>>>>experiment is consistent with both the hypothesis that the speed of
> > >>>>>>light is independent of the speed of the light source and the
> > >>>>>>hypothesis that the speed of light does depend on the speed of the
> > >>>>>>light source (that is, we ignore the fact that the former consistency
> > >>>>>>was achieved by introducing ad hoc auxiliary hypotheses, starting with
> > >>>>>>FitzGerald's length contraction). Even this quite liberal assumption
> > >>>>>>does not make Einsteiniana's teaching less fraudulent:
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> > >>>>>>http://physics.suite101.com/article.cfm/einsteins_special_relativity
> > >>>>>>Paul A. Heckert: "Rather than trying to understand why the Michelson-
> > >>>>>>Morley experiment didn't work, Einstein effectively took the result as
> > >>>>>>his starting point. He made the basic assumption that the speed of
> > >>>>>>light is a fundamental constant in the universe and that all observers
> > >>>>>>in any reference frame that is not accelerating will measure the same
> > >>>>>>value for the speed of light. There is however historical controversy
> > >>>>>>as to how much Einstein was actually influenced by the Michelson-
> > >>>>>>Morley experiment. He might have made this assumption, even if the
> > >>>>>>experiment had not been performed. In either case, his assumption that
> > >>>>>>any observer moving at any constant velocity will measure the same
> > >>>>>>value for the speed of light led to special relativity. Basically if
> > >>>>>>the speed of light can't change for different observers moving at
> > >>>>>>different speeds, some other things, such as length and time, must
> > >>>>>>change. Einstein found a number of surprising consequences to this
> > >>>>>>assumption."
>
> > >>>>>I don't know what you find fraudulent.
>
> > >>>>Then see how Stephen Hawking uses the Michelson-Morley experiment in
> > >>>>his attempt to disprove the fact that the speed of light "varies with
> > >>>>position" (Einstein's words) in a gravitational field:
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> > >>>>http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/text/extplaydice.htm
> > >>>>Stephen Hawking: "Interestingly enough, Laplace himself wrote a paper
> > >>>>in 1799 on how some stars could have a gravitational field so strong
> > >>>>that light could not escape, but would be dragged back onto the star.
> > >>>>He even calculated that a star of the same density as the Sun, but two
> > >>>>hundred and fifty times the size, would have this property. But
> > >>>>although Laplace may not have realised it, the same idea had been put
> > >>>>forward 16 years earlier by a Cambridge man, John Mitchell, in a paper
> > >>>>in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. Both Mitchell
> > >>>>and Laplace thought of light as consisting of particles, rather like
> > >>>>cannon balls, that could be slowed down by gravity, and made to fall
> > >>>>back on the star. But a famous experiment, carried out by two
> > >>>>Americans, Michelson and Morley in 1887, showed that light always
> > >>>>travelled at a speed of one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a
> > >>>>second, no matter where it came from. How then could gravity slow down
> > >>>>light, and make it fall back."
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> > >>>>You find nothing fraudulent again?
>
> > >>>No.
>
> > >>http://www.time.com/time/time100/poc/magazine/a_brief_history_of_rela...
> > >>Stephen Hawking: "So if you were traveling in the same direction as
> > >>the light, you would expect that its speed would appear to be lower,
> > >>and if you were traveling in the opposite direction to the light, that
> > >>its speed would appear to be higher. Yet a series of experiments
> > >>failed to find any evidence for differences in speed due to motion
> > >>through the ether. The most careful and accurate of these experiments
> > >>was carried out by Albert Michelson and Edward Morley at the Case
> > >>Institute in Cleveland, Ohio, in 1887......It was as if light always
> > >>traveled at the same speed relative to you, no matter how you were
> > >>moving."
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> > >>No fraud again? Is Stephen Hawking one of the "later writers" referred
> > >>to in the quotation below:
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> > >>http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
> > >>John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as
> > >>evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost
> > >>universally use it as support for the light postulate of special
> > >>relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE
> > >>WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT
> > >>POSTULATE."
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> > >>Pentcho Valev
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> Folks: Doug is a persona non grata to science, and to me in
> particular.  :-}~ - - - !  NE

How about this: Doug is a persona non grata to you in particular, and
science doesn't give a damn what you think.