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In sci.physics.relativity, Henri Wilson
<H@.>
 wrote
on Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:19:41 GMT
<tphbo0tqmlbdl8t69q8ufaltuiechkrhcg@4ax.com>:
> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:00:58 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
> <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote:
>
>>In sci.physics.relativity, Henri Wilson
>><H@.>
>> wrote
>>on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:59:28 GMT
>><crnao0ti5mlnj2e75185h1k3pr4mkqns2m@4ax.com>:
>>> On 29 Oct 2004 09:37:50 -0700, titanpoint@yahoo.com (Titan Point) wrote:
>>>
>>>>H@..(Henri Wilson) wrote in message news:<6ne1o05f4ml8vs8fffqmqd6k09bh6b3ogt@4ax.com>...
>>>>> On 28 Oct 2004 01:39:31 -0700, titanpoint@yahoo.com (Titan Point) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> >H@..(Henri Wilson) wrote in message news:<m780o01r64c36f6rc53ljm80tcvgtqvncp@4ax.com>...
>>>>> >> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 05:08:43 GMT, Bill Rowe <readnewscix@earthlink.net.invalid>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> >In article <mp0rn0luu869k5au65n99n1aua44vd4pe6@4ax.com>,
>>>>> >> > H@..(Henri Wilson) wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> As far as I can see, Einstein's version of relativity was never taken 
>>>>> >> >> seriously outside of the USA and GB. It is a western hoax, 
>>>>> >> >> perpetuated by generations of academic inbreeding.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >This merely demonstrates your myopic view. I am certain the Galileo 
>>>>> >> >system planned by ESA will definitely make use of relativity just as the 
>>>>> >> >US GPS system. Additionally, I believe the Russians also built a system 
>>>>> >> >similar to GPS which also must have considered relativity. So, your idea 
>>>>> >> >relativity is taken seriously by just the US and GB is simply fantasy.
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> I'm sure the orbiting clocks will be software adjusted so that they will be in
>>>>> >> synch with the ground clocks.
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> HW.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Why should that happen, unless they were going out of synchronization
>>>>> >due to motion and position in the Earth's gravitational field?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Clocks change rates slightly when relieved of gravitational self compresion
>>>>> They are also affected by cutting the Earths fields. 
>>>>
>>>>Is this the best you can come up with?
>>>>
>>>>How does "graviational self-compression" affect the transition between
>>>>energy levels of an electron in a caesium atom? Please quantify with
>>>>actual mathematics and data of this so-called effect.
>>>>
>>>>Otherwise people might think you were just making this up.
>>>
>>>
>>> GPS clocks are observed to change rates when placed into orbit, AS MEASURED BY
>>> THE ORIGINAL OBSERVER IN THE ORIGINAL FRAME. This is obviously a REAL
>>> physical/mechanical change.
>>>
>>> PLease explain why you think a mathematical equation can alter the rate of a
>>> clock?
>>
>>It cannot.  However, the clock's rate is altered.  NTS-2 showed
>>this long ago (the modern crop don't bother with a flippable
>>adjustment switch; the builders just build in the frequency
>>shift).
>>
>>All the equation does is estimate it -- rather accurately, AIUI.
>
> Please explain precisely how the equation relates to the physical
> clock rate change.

I'd have to do some research; the equation in this case relates
to both SR and GR issues -- SR because the satellite is moving,
GR because it's in (slightly less) warped space (caused by the
Earth's mass).

In any event, NTS-2 did show a discrepancy of about 4.46 * 10^-10 parts,
before the switch was flipped.

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