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On 1/04/2012 10:06 AM, Uirgil wrote:
> On 1/04/2012 8:46 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 23/02/2012 4:23 PM, microm2011@hotmail.com wrote:
 >>
>>> It is common sense that science ought not be fighting innocent
>>> people's beliefs.
>>
>> Science does not fight religion, atheism does, and atheism
>> is not science, it's an ideology with one basic idea which in
>> the 20th century killed over 80,000,000 people in the atheist
>> regimes of Lenin, Stalin Mao and Pol Pot.. far more than any
>> religion.
>>
 > Not so!

The atheist leaders of atheist states clearly implemented their
atheist ideology!  B^]

They admitted it and ravin1 confirmed that those atheist states,
led by atheists, implementing policies of the FORCED INDOCTRINATION
OF CHILDREN with ATHEIST IDEAS were REAL:



  "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
      -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

  "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
      - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)




# From: raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7g4tep9k42rdjlgrr2@4ax.com>
#
#
# > raven1 wrote:
# >
# >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's

What do you think the atheist states FORCED INDOCTRINATION
of Children consisted of..  Prayer and readings from the Gospels?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAA


 > Anti-theism,being the belief that no gods exist,

is central to the atheist ideology, as the LEADER of alt.atheism's
community of Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape demonstrates:

# From: Steve Knight <sknight51@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1e4jbmlsqebu9j9b0a@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;

# From: Steve Knight <sknight51@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv57fjcg60tufoa47pf@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_gaulloises@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

This is not ONE ISOLATED atheist psychopath.. HE'S THE
ATHEIST LEADER, supported by the collective atheist nutjobs!  8^o

What has changed since atheist regimes of the 20th century
implemented that bloody terror, torture and mass murder?


    "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
           - Lenin

EVERY atheist state has implemented those atheist ideas
by the forced indoctrination of children in schools, the
relentless atheist propaganda in media, the persecution of
believers by every arm of the atheist state.. atheism in
reality

 > is as ideological as theism

Evidence:

The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN!   B^[

�We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.�
      -Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper

�Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!� (early Soviet slogan)

"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
     - Daniel Peris,
     "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
      Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853

"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"

"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars."

John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
      (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)

ATHEIST STATES


"North Korea's government exercises virtual total
control over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
   - Hertzke, Allen. 2006.
     Freeing God's Children. Rowman & Littlefield

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"Although the North Korean constitution states that freedom of religion 
is permitted, free religious activities no longer exist in North Korea 
as the government sponsors religious groups only to create an illusion 
of religious freedom"
   - Essential Background: Overview of human rights issues in
     Human Rights in North Korea
    (DPRK: The Democratic People's Republic of Korea)
    (Human Rights Watch, 8-7-2004)

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"All publications are subject to supervision and censorship by the state.
There is no freedom of religion.
Independent worship is not allowed"

http://www.hrw.org/legacy/english/docs/2004/07/08/nkorea9040.htm

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"North Korea is officially an atheist state"
    - World and Its Peoples: Eastern and Southern Asia

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"Atheism continues to be the official position of the
governments of China, North Korea and Cuba."
    - The State of Religion Atlas. Simon & Schuster.



"autonomous religious activities now almost nonexistent; 
government-sponsored religious groups exist to provide illusion of 
religious freedom"

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html

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# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
#     - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
#       Characteristics and Consequences,
#        David Kowalewski,
#        Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
#      -   http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg

#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
#        -  http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg

#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
#     - Daniel Peris,
#     "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
#      Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
#     - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
#       Wolak, Arthur J.    p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.

Now watch these atheist ideologues, trapped within their
dogmatic beliefs, snip and ignore ALL the evidence and
chant their mindless mantras:

 > but a-theism, being only absence of both theism
 > and anti-theism, has no ideology at all.

The No True Atheist(Scotsman) Fallacy!  B^D  Hilarious!

# The No True Atheist Fallacy
#
# "Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with
#  his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about
# how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is
# shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such
# a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow
# Morning Herald again and this time finds an article about
# an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton
# sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that
# Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this?
# Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do
# such a thing."
#     �Antony Flew, Thinking About Thinking
#
# "Imagine Hashish McRavin1, an Atheist, sitting down with
# his Godless Morning Pravda and seeing an article about
# how the "Al Qaida terrorist Strikes Again."
# Hashish is shocked and declares that "No Atheist would
# do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his
# Godless Morning Pravda again and this time finds an
# article about an Atheist State whose brutal actions
# terrorising torturing and killing millions make the AlQaida
# terrorist seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that
# McRavin1 was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this?
# Not likely. This time he says,
# "No true Atheist would do such a thing."
      � Fasgnadh, Thinking About Atheist lack of Thinking


Just for the historical record, (you know, the EVIDENCE supplied
by REALITY, not the IMAGINATION of these atheist LIARS),  there
has never been an atheist state that was a secular democracy.
EVERY atheist state has been a totalitarian tyranny.



>>> But both sides have went to far...
>>
>> Exactly, the extremes of religious theocracies (fortunately
>> no longer the norm, as majority religious societies around the world
>> have evolved free, open, tolerant, progressive, rights-based secular
>> democracies (something no atheist state ever managed to do).
>>
>>> The extremes need to lose on both sides.
>>
>>
>> Exactly, Religious civilisations have progressively muted their
>> extremes (the modern secular democracies created by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> societies are far superior to any religious society of the ancient or
>> medieval times) and the Atheist regimes have reduced their extremes by
>> collapsing catastrophically, leaving only a tiny remnant of weak,
>> ineffectual, irrational atheist drones, who are allowed to flog the
>> dead horse of Fundamentalism as a minor public service to the rest of us
>> (we let them delude themselves that they are slaying dragons, when
>> fundamentalism is already defeated by the secularism the moderate
>> religious majority installed to ENSURE freedom of thought and belief,
>> including non-belief. ;-).
>>
>> [See Bukakke for an example of pathological Tilting at Windmills,
>> a la Don Quixote! B^]
>>
>>
>>> Mitchell Raemsch
>



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The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it,
including all the ones who eagerly embraced Dawkin's
even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he claims
'came into being'(sic)

 From his book Launch:

"A few years ago it struck me that there is a resource
that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation,
and an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and
has dominated the mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years
I'm thinking, of course, of religion.

And the problem is, I'm an atheist."

    Yes, that's certainly a problem for any atheist!   B^D

    or for anyone living in any of the atheist regimes they ran! B^[

"Not just a bit of an atheist, I really am an atheist."

    You make it sound like you expect people not to believe atheists!

    B^D

"So, this doesn't, in a way, make me an ideal cantidate to write
about religion, but at some point it did strike me that religions
cannot be, in the words of Christopher Hitchins, "the source of
the poison of everything", it's implausible, they've been around
for thousands of years, they reflect the collaborative intelligences
and sensitivities of millions of people and the idea that everything
to do with them is false and wicked just didn't start to stand up to
the scrutiny I applied to it, as I thought more about the subject.

So, that's really the fruit of my thinking"


    That religion is really the source of so so many good and useful
    contributions to civilisation that Hitchin's malicious lies just
    don't stand up..  8^o  and as atheism is devoid of anything
    worthwhile itself, it needs to STEAL some of the many great ideas
    religion has to offer:


" my new book,Religion for Atheists is a deliberate attempt
   to look at a number of areas where I believe that religions
   have things to offer for non-believers"

Sure,  Truth, Love, Compassion, Justice, Sincerity, Charity,
        Mercy, Courage, Integrity..
        all the virtues atheism lacks, and doesn't even understand, all
        the spiritual values that atheists reject completely...


# From: Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: 
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID: 
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a-b126-3a1c60146182@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka



" ..and perhaps believers know about these things already,
     but for non-believers I wanted to look at that."

"It strikes me that at the moment the world is really divided into
believers and non-believers and the debate has become at times very
fierce, there are people, some of whom live in North Oxford who
have suggested not only that religion is unbelievable but also
that it's ridiculous, and that people who believe in anything are
simpletons, maniacs  .. people who must be lectured at, to remove
the folly of their intellectual errors."


    We all know the "person from North Oxford" he's criticising for
    being such an arrogant, rabid demagogue with extreme views, is
    Richard Dawkins            B^]

"That's not really my approach, I think such an approach is sterile,
I don't think one makes progress"

    True, Dawkins extreme militancy and all the money spent on Bus
    ad lies to proselytise for new atheist converts never worked!

"It doesn't strike me that this is really a productive way
to go forward."

    Mate, I have been telling the dimwitted Dawkinite Drones that
    for YEARS now!   But they are completely blind to reason!  B^D

" How do you live a good life outside of a religious structure?

    Well that's silly, when the good life you want to emulate
    exists WITHIN that moral framework and claims that the SPIRITUAL
    values are what brings life to the attempts at self-transformation!

    It's like you want the Light from a lightbulb, using only
    the physical MATTER, not invisible, electromagnetic ENERGY!  B^D

    It's been tried in EVERY atheist state and failed!   B^]

    How can these atheist 'thinkers' be so dumb?

"This is THE question facing modern society, and we haven't
necessarily answered it that well."

    You atheists have NEVER answered it, B^D  but the majority
    religious societies that you want to emulate clearly have!   B^]

"I think it's a legitimate question and my book is an
attempt to answer that question."

    Sure, the hilarious part is that you think atheism needs
    to copy religion ...because it HAS the answer already!!!!

            BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!

    Just what Dawkins, Bukakke, Vurgil and all the other
    ex-atheist believers are trying to do!    ;-)

    Except, THEY are copying the BELIEFs in Supernatural Beings,
    i.e. they are FABRICATING GODS to WORSHIP!  (Just
    like every atheist tyranny tried to do with political cultism ;-)

     Whereas De Botton wants to steal the PRAXIS of religion:    B^D

"My starting point is to say that we should learn to STEAL from
religions."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!

    Priceless!   The starting point for Atheist 'philosophy' is
    that having no ideas of their own the unoriginal atheists
    need to pinch the ideas of the, more successful, religious!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA




"you know some people have accused me of advocating a
'pick and mix'approach to religions, and I say you know what?
you're absolutely right, that's completely what I'm doing,
a pick and mix approach.

Some people have said  'religion's are not a buffet, from which
you can go round choosing the best bits', and my answer is yes they are.
And that's precidsely what I'm doing.  So i've taken my plate,
and I've gone round the different faiths, and I've done precisely that."

     -  Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
                         The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne  19/3/2012


http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm

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  "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
      -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

   "We must combat religion"
       -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

  �Down with religion and long live atheism;
   the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
      - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

  "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
      - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



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  "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
      - Lenin

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