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Article #305Re: THE JOURNAL NATURE INVOLUNTARILY TOPPLES EINSTEIN
From: Igor
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:37
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:37
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On Jun 21, 1:07 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100617/full/news.2010.303.html > NATURE: "Gravity is mercilessly impartial - on Earth, it accelerates > light and heavy objects alike with a tug of 9.8 metres per second > squared. That property is the cornerstone of Albert Einstein's theory > of general relativity, which states that gravity is indistinguishable > from any other type of acceleration." > > That gravity "accelerates light and heavy objects alike with a tug of > 9.8 metres per second squared" is true but this is Newton's emission > theory of light developed by John Michell in the 18th century and > temporarily adopted by Einstein in 1911. If NATURE's editors were both > honest and knowledgeable they would have published the following text: > > "Gravity is mercilessly impartial - on Earth, it accelerates light and > heavy objects alike with a tug of 9.8 metres per second squared. That > property is the cornerstone of Newton's emission theory of light; it > is equivalent to the fact that, in the absence of a gravitational > field, the speed of light varies with the speed of the emitter, v, in > accordance with the equation c'=c+v." > > Although in 1911 Einstein was on the right track, in 1915 he spoiled > everything by making light accelerate faster than cannonballs by a > factor of two: > > http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s6-01/6-01.htm > "In geometrical units we define c_0 = 1, so Einstein's 1911 formula > can be written simply as c=1+phi. However, this formula for the speed > of light (not to mention this whole approach to gravity) turned out to > be incorrect, as Einstein realized during the years leading up to 1915 > and the completion of the general theory. In fact, the general theory > of relativity doesn't give any equation for the speed of light at a > particular location, because the effect of gravity cannot be > represented by a simple scalar field of c values. Instead, the "speed > of light" at a each point depends on the direction of the light ray > through that point, as well as on the choice of coordinate systems, so > we can't generally talk about the value of c at a given point in a non- > vanishing gravitational field. However, if we consider just radial > light rays near a spherically symmetrical (and non- rotating) mass, > and if we agree to use a specific set of coordinates, namely those in > which the metric coefficients are independent of t, then we can read a > formula analogous to Einstein's 1911 formula directly from the > Schwarzschild metric. (...) In the Newtonian limit the classical > gravitational potential at a distance r from mass m is phi=-m/r, so if > we let c_r = dr/dt denote the radial speed of light in Schwarzschild > coordinates, we have c_r =1+2phi, which corresponds to Einstein's 1911 > equation, except that we have a factor of 2 instead of 1 on the > potential term." > > http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light_variable.htm > "Einstein wrote this paper in 1911 in German (download from:http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/annalen/history/einstein-papers/191... > ). It predated the full formal development of general relativity by > about four years. You can find an English translation of this paper in > the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity' beginning on page 99; you > will find in section 3 of that paper Einstein's derivation of the > variable speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The > result is: c'=c0(1+phi/c^2) where phi is the gravitational potential > relative to the point where the speed of light co is measured......You > can find a more sophisticated derivation later by Einstein (1955) from > the full theory of general relativity in the weak field > approximation....For the 1955 results but not in coordinates see page > 93, eqn (6.28): c(r)=[1+2phi(r)/c^2]c. Namely the 1955 approximation > shows a variation in km/sec twice as much as first predicted in 1911." > > Nowadays Einsteiniana's marauders do not give a sh-t about either > Newton's emission theory of light or Einstein's relativity and teach > anything: > > http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168 > Stephen Hawking, "A Brief History of Time", Chapter 6: > "Under the theory that light is made up of waves, it was not clear how > it would respond to gravity. But if light is composed of particles, > one might expect them to be affected by gravity in the same way that > cannonballs, rockets, and planets are.....In fact, it is not really > consistent to treat light like cannonballs in Newtons theory of > gravity because the speed of light is fixed. (A cannonball fired > upward from the earth will be slowed down by gravity and will > eventually stop and fall back; a photon, however, must continue upward > at a constant speed...)" > > http://www.hawking.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i... > Stephen Hawking: "Interestingly enough, Laplace himself wrote a paper > in 1799 on how some stars could have a gravitational field so strong > that light could not escape, but would be dragged back onto the star. > He even calculated that a star of the same density as the Sun, but two > hundred and fifty times the size, would have this property. But > although Laplace may not have realised it, the same idea had been put > forward 16 years earlier by a Cambridge man, John Mitchell, in a paper > in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. Both Mitchell > and Laplace thought of light as consisting of particles, rather like > cannon balls, that could be slowed down by gravity, and made to fall > back on the star. But a famous experiment, carried out by two > Americans, Michelson and Morley in 1887, showed that light always > travelled at a speed of one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a > second, no matter where it came from. How then could gravity slow down > light, and make it fall back." > > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_o... > Steve Carlip: "Is c, the speed of light in vacuum, constant? At the > 1983 Conference Generale des Poids et Mesures, the following SI > (Systeme International) definition of the metre was adopted: The metre > is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time > interval of 1/299 792 458 of a second. This defines the speed of light > in vacuum to be exactly 299,792,458 m/s. This provides a very short > answer to the question "Is c constant": Yes, c is CONSTANT BY > DEFINITION!....Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of > relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and > he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the > 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote: > ". . . according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the > constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of > the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity > [. . .] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of > light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light > varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector > quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not > clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to > special relativity suggests that he did mean so. THIS INTERPRETATION > IS PERFECTLY VALID AND MAKES GOOD PHYSICAL SENSE, BUT A MORE MODERN > INTERPRETATION IS THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS CONSTANT in general > relativity." > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com And the ignorance fest continues...
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