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On 23/02/2012 4:23 PM, microm2011@hotmail.com wrote:
> It is common sense that science ought not be fighting innocent
> people's beliefs.

Science does not fight religion, atheism does, and atheism
is not science, it's an ideology with one basic idea which in
the 20th century killed over 80,000,000 people in the atheist
regimes of Lenin, Stalin Mao and Pol Pot..  far more than any
religion.

> But both sides have went to far...

Exactly, the extremes of religious theocracies (fortunately
no longer the norm, as majority religious societies around the world
have evolved free, open, tolerant, progressive, rights-based secular
democracies (something no atheist state ever managed to do).

> The extremes need to lose on both sides.


Exactly, Religious civilisations have progressively muted their
extremes (the modern secular democracies created by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies are far superior to any religious society of the ancient or 
medieval times) and the Atheist regimes have reduced their extremes by
collapsing catastrophically, leaving only a tiny remnant of weak, 
ineffectual, irrational atheist drones, who are allowed to flog the
dead horse of Fundamentalism as a minor public service to the rest of us 
(we let them delude themselves that they are slaying dragons, when
fundamentalism is already defeated by the secularism the moderate 
religious majority installed to ENSURE freedom of thought and belief,
including non-belief.    ;-).

[See Bukakke for an example of pathological Tilting at Windmills,
   a la Don Quixote!    B^]


> Mitchell Raemsch





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The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it,
including all the ones who eagerly embraced Dawkin's
even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he claims
'came into being'(sic)

 From his book Launch:

"A few years ago it struck me that there is a resource
that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation,
and an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and
has dominated the mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years
I'm thinking, of course, of religion.

And the problem is, I'm an atheist."

    Yes, that's certainly a problem for any atheist!   B^D

    or for anyone living in any of the atheist regimes they ran! B^[

"Not just a bit of an atheist, I really am an atheist."

    You make it sound like you expect people not to believe atheists!

    B^D

"So, this doesn't, in a way, make me an ideal cantidate to write
about religion, but at some point it did strike me that religions
cannot be, in the words of Christopher Hitchins, "the source of
the poison of everything", it's implausible, they've been around
for thousands of years, they reflect the collaborative intelligences
and sensitivities of millions of people and the idea that everything
to do with them is false and wicked just didn't start to stand up to
the scrutiny I applied to it, as I thought more about the subject.

So, that's really the fruit of my thinking"


    That religion is really the source of so so many good and useful
    contributions to civilisation that Hitchin's malicious lies just
    don't stand up..  8^o  and as atheism is devoid of anything
    worthwhile itself, it needs to STEAL some of the many great ideas
    religion has to offer:


" my new book,Religion for Atheists is a deliberate attempt
   to look at a number of areas where I believe that religions
   have things to offer for non-believers"

Sure,  Truth, Love, Compassion, Justice, Sincerity, Charity,
        Mercy, Courage, Integrity..
        all the virtues atheism lacks, and doesn't even understand, all
        the spiritual values that atheists reject completely...


# From: Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net>
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# Budikka



" ..and perhaps believers know about these things already,
     but for non-believers I wanted to look at that."

"It strikes me that at the moment the world is really divided into
believers and non-believers and the debate has become at times very
fierce, there are people, some of whom live in North Oxford who
have suggested not only that religion is unbelievable but also
that it's ridiculous, and that people who believe in anything are
simpletons, maniacs  .. people who must be lectured at, to remove
the folly of their intellectual errors."


    We all know the "person from North Oxford" he's criticising for
    being such an arrogant, rabid demagogue with extreme views, is
    Richard Dawkins            B^]

"That's not really my approach, I think such an approach is sterile,
I don't think one makes progress"

    True, Dawkins extreme militancy and all the money spent on Bus
    ad lies to proselytise for new atheist converts never worked!

"It doesn't strike me that this is really a productive way
to go forward."

    Mate, I have been telling the dimwitted Dawkinite Drones that
    for YEARS now!   But they are completely blind to reason!  B^D

" How do you live a good life outside of a religious structure?

    Well that's silly, when the good life you want to emulate
    exists WITHIN that moral framework and claims that the SPIRITUAL
    values are what brings life to the attempts at self-transformation!

    It's like you want the Light from a lightbulb, using only
    the physical MATTER, not invisible, electromagnetic ENERGY!  B^D

    It's been tried in EVERY atheist state and failed!   B^]

    How can these atheist 'thinkers' be so dumb?

"This is THE question facing modern society, and we haven't
necessarily answered it that well."

    You atheists have NEVER answered it, B^D  but the majority
    religious societies that you want to emulate clearly have!   B^]

"I think it's a legitimate question and my book is an
attempt to answer that question."

    Sure, the hilarious part is that you think atheism needs
    to copy religion ...because it HAS the answer already!!!!

            BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!

    Just what Dawkins, Bukakke, Vurgil and all the other
    ex-atheist believers are trying to do!    ;-)

    Except, THEY are copying the BELIEFs in Supernatural Beings,
    i.e. they are FABRICATING GODS to WORSHIP!  (Just
    like every atheist tyranny tried to do with political cultism ;-)

     Whereas De Botton wants to steal the PRAXIS of religion:    B^D

"My starting point is to say that we should learn to STEAL from
religions."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!

    Priceless!   The starting point for Atheist 'philosophy' is
    that having no ideas of their own the unoriginal atheists
    need to pinch the ideas of the, more successful, religious!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA




"you know some people have accused me of advocating a
'pick and mix'approach to religions, and I say you know what?
you're absolutely right, that's completely what I'm doing,
a pick and mix approach.

Some people have said  'religion's are not a buffet, from which
you can go round choosing the best bits', and my answer is yes they are.
And that's precidsely what I'm doing.  So i've taken my plate,
and I've gone round the different faiths, and I've done precisely that."

     -  Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
                         The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne  19/3/2012


http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm

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