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Article #363Re: CAPACITORS VIOLATING THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS
From: Edward Green
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:30
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:30
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On Jun 5, 1:37 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > A few years ago, at the 2002 First International Conference on Quantum > Limits to the Second Law, I tried to draw the attention to the fact > that charged capacitors immersed in water develop a strange pressure > between the plates, a pressure that, on close inspection, seems to > violate the second law of thermodynamics: > > http://link.aip.org/link/?APCPCS/643/430/1 > > http://www.wbabin.net/valev/valev2.pdf > > The scientific community remained silent and hostile but now I see the > idea that capacitors can violate the second law has been developed > ever since: > > http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0912/0912.4818v3.pdf > "Recently (Physics Letters A 374 (2010) 1801) the concept of vacuum > capacitor spontaneously charged harnessing the heat absorbed from a > single thermal reservoir at room temperature has been introduced..." > > http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0904/0904.3188v4.pdf > "In this paper we describe a vacuum spherical capacitor that generates > a macroscopic voltage between its spheres harnessing the heat from a > single thermal reservoir at room temperature. (...) The author wishes > also gratefully acknowledge stimulating and encouraging discussions > with Prof. Daniel P. Sheehan (University of San Diego) during the > preparation of an early draft of the manuscript." > > Bravo, Daniel P. Sheehan! You were hostile in 2002 but now I see you > have taken some notice of what I told you. Your triumph will come > soon: > > http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/dec/13/quantum-challenge-usd-... > "Clean-cut and middle-aged, a tenured professor at a conservative > Catholic university, Sheehan is hardly a rebel. Yet for years, he and > a few other physicists have been pressing peers to re-examine the > Second Law of Thermodynamics, one of the most celebrated and cherished > tenets of physics. (...) But Sheehan suggests big things are possible > if even the tiniest of violations can be proven, and ultimately > exploited in an economically feasible way. For example, it might > become possible to convert ambient heat into an infinite energy > source, he said." Sheehan sent me a copy of one of his papers, once, when such things were thinkable on sci.physics.
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