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Article #378Re: PHOTONS AND CANNONBALLS IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD
From: Brad Guth
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:55
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:55
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On May 31, 6:27 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > In 1911 Einstein says the analogy between the speed of photons and the > speed of cannonballs is straightforward - the former varies with the > gravitational potential as Newton's emission theory of light predicts. > In the final version of Einstein's general relativity the analogy > remains - both speeds are variable - but the speed of photons is more > variable than the speed of cannonballs. > > Stephen Hawking, the Albert Einstein of our generation, implicitly > rejects Einstein's general relativity by claiming that there can be no > analogy between photons and cannonballs because the speed of light is > constant in a gravitational field: > > http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168 > Stephen Hawking, "A Brief History of Time", Chapter 6: > "Under the theory that light is made up of waves, it was not clear how > it would respond to gravity. But if light is composed of particles, > one might expect them to be affected by gravity in the same way that > cannonballs, rockets, and planets are.....In fact, it is not really > consistent to treat light like cannonballs in Newtons theory of > gravity because the speed of light is fixed. (A cannonball fired > upward from the earth will be slowed down by gravity and will > eventually stop and fall back; a photon, however, must continue upward > at a constant speed...)" > > Hawking goes even further: the speed of light cannot vary with the > gravitational potential because the Michelson-Morley experiment has > proved it is constant: > > http://www.hawking.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i... > Stephen Hawking: "Interestingly enough, Laplace himself wrote a paper > in 1799 on how some stars could have a gravitational field so strong > that light could not escape, but would be dragged back onto the star. > He even calculated that a star of the same density as the Sun, but two > hundred and fifty times the size, would have this property. But > although Laplace may not have realised it, the same idea had been put > forward 16 years earlier by a Cambridge man, John Mitchell, in a paper > in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. Both Mitchell > and Laplace thought of light as consisting of particles, rather like > cannon balls, that could be slowed down by gravity, and made to fall > back on the star. But a famous experiment, carried out by two > Americans, Michelson and Morley in 1887, showed that light always > travelled at a speed of one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a > second, no matter where it came from. How then could gravity slow down > light, and make it fall back." > > One of Hawking's brothers in Einsteiniana, John Norton, implicitly > contradicts Hawking by teaching that the Michelson-Morley experiment > has confirmed the variability of the speed of light as postulated by > Newton's emission theory of light: > > http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf > John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as > evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost > universally use it as support for the light postulate of special > relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE > WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT > POSTULATE." > > Up until recently Einstein's, Hawking's and Norton's teachings made > the scientific community sing "Divine Einstein" and go into > convulsions. Now that it is evident to everybody that theoretical > physics is dead, the scientific community does not give a sh-t about > any teaching. > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com What is the nonzero mass of a given photon? ~ BG
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