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Article #431Re: SAVING PHYSICS: TWO POSTULATES
From: PD
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 15:06
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 15:06
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On May 21, 1:01 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 20, 11:22 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 20, 12:57 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Scientists should try various rescue operations; one of them could > > > consist in strict adherence to the following postulates: > > > > Postulate 1: (frequency) = (speed of light)/(wavelength) > > > > Postulate 2: The wavelength of light is constant. > > > > Postulate 1 is a universally accepted textbook formula but Postulate 2 > > > needs some justification. Consider this: > > > There is no point in trying to justify a postulate that is directly > > counter to experimental evidence. A diffraction grating is a device > > that is directly sensitive to wavelength. It's as reliable as holding > > up a stick with marks on it to measure the length of a stationary > > object. > > > The diffraction grating establishes unambiguously that the wavelength > > of light is NOT constant, no matter how badly you want it to be so. > > Clever Draper, do you suggest experiments can confirm that the > wavelength of both ocean waves and light waves varies with the speed > of the observer while the speed of the waves relative to the observer > remains constant: As I said, the diffraction grating is a *direct* measuring instrument for wavelength. If you do not know how a diffraction grating works, then I'm sure you can google it. > > http://sampit.geol.sc.edu/Doppler.html > "Moving observer: A man is standing on the beach, watching the tide. > The waves are washing into the shore and over his feet with a constant > frequency and wavelength. However, if he begins walking out into the > ocean, the waves will begin hitting him more frequently, leading him > to perceive that the wavelength of the waves has decreased." > > http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/big_bang/ind... > John Norton: "Here's a light wave and an observer. If the observer > were to hurry towards the source of the light, the observer would now > pass wavecrests more frequently than the resting observer. That would > mean that moving observer would find the frequency of the light to > have increased (AND CORRESPONDINGLY FOR THE WAVELENGTH - THE DISTANCE > BETWEEN CRESTS - TO HAVE DECREASED)." > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com
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