🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics.relativity
Article #461

Re: HOW EINSTEIN USED MAXWELL

#461
From: Don Stockbauer
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 02:17
50 lines
4393 bytes
On May 12, 12:19 am, Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 6, 5:21 pm, Marvin the Martian wrote:
>
> > Indeed, the fact that there was asymmetry in Maxwell's equations with
> > regard to electromagnetic induction ruled out a rest frame
>
> This is not true.  Because of Maxwell's equations, the mid-to-
> late-19th-century physicists all believed in the Aether --- an
> absolute frame of reference.  As Professor Roberts fondly would say
> "you need to study the subject at hand" and follow up by a <shrug>.
> So, <shrug>
>
> > and lead to
> > the investigation of how the equations DO transform.
>
> Oh, yes, you can transform all you want, but try not to play a fast
> one by introducing mathemagics into all these steps, OK?
>
> > That lead to the
> > Lorentz transformation, which is the mathematics that powers SR.
>
> Yes, indeed.  PD, the unemployed professor, does not think so.
> <shrug>
>
> Oh, by the way, the Lorentz transform was actually transformed a few
> times.  The very original version of the Lorentz transform must
> reference back to the absolute frame of reference as the results of
> the MMX demand.  You see.  All transforms including the Galilean
> (circa 16th century), the Voigt (1887), and the Lorentz (Larmor's
> version 1890's, Poincare's version 1904-5 or so) transforms involve
> three points/frames/parties.  They are two observers and one
> observed.  In Larmor's Lorentz transform, one of these observers must
> be the absolute frame of reference.  Poincare made a mistake in his
> mathematics.  In doing so, any of these two observers does not have to
> be the absolute frame of reference.  Yours truly did explain this in a
> greater detail.  See the post below.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/c540aaf2341...
>
> So, Maxwell's equations, after all, still require the absolute frame
> of reference if the mistake of Poincare is exorcised.  Poincare's
> version of the Lorentz transform (plagiarized by Einstein the nitwit,
> the plagiarist, and the liar) is only valid in a very special
> circumstance.  Thus, the Lorentz transform as you know of cannot be
> valid in general.  <shrug>
>
> So, stop gulping down cans of fermented diarrhea of Einstein the
> nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar.  <shrug>

Your shoulders must get awefully sore.
Technical Details
Message-ID: <aec9237a-2d76-469a-99a6-b6229d79b3a3@h9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!h9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
References: <pan.2010.04.01.11.19.46@canonicalscience.com> <5c8ae0e9-95ba-479b-a231-43be6f43752c@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <9df4a46e-259b-4292-85a4-06193fdd61e9@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <gsqdnSTs5NI8bUfWnZ2dnUVZ_hoAAAAA@mchsi.com> <e9c2u5h8pbgeqnvqdp9eh8h21qah41q17u@4ax.com> <_tCdnZX_B-0Y5XzWnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <pci4u5dqtkilnss2bqalta3tkcp47ctv16@4ax.com> <bsidnVwJ7sNyfH_WnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com> <52d6u5de7v4nqikmrm88olbfl85f83hah4@4ax.com> <2900ec94-466e-4736-b8f5-1ed1be4925a3@24g2000yqy.googlegroups.com> <0JKdnRZGp_e6wH7WnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <d69c62d7-01bb-4d36-a0f3-b05446850773@k2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 237b8ad48,e17dad18d26e7f0c
X-Google-Attributes: gid237b8ad48,public,usenet
X-Google-NewGroupId: yes
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!h9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: Don Stockbauer <donstockbauer@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
Subject: Re: HOW EINSTEIN USED MAXWELL
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:17:34 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 50
Message-ID: <aec9237a-2d76-469a-99a6-b6229d79b3a3@h9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
References: <pan.2010.04.01.11.19.46@canonicalscience.com> 
 <5c8ae0e9-95ba-479b-a231-43be6f43752c@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
 <9df4a46e-259b-4292-85a4-06193fdd61e9@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
 <gsqdnSTs5NI8bUfWnZ2dnUVZ_hoAAAAA@mchsi.com> <e9c2u5h8pbgeqnvqdp9eh8h21qah41q17u@4ax.com>
 <_tCdnZX_B-0Y5XzWnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <pci4u5dqtkilnss2bqalta3tkcp47ctv16@4ax.com>
 <bsidnVwJ7sNyfH_WnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com> <52d6u5de7v4nqikmrm88olbfl85f83hah4@4ax.com>
 <2900ec94-466e-4736-b8f5-1ed1be4925a3@24g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>
 <0JKdnRZGp_e6wH7WnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <d69c62d7-01bb-4d36-a0f3-b05446850773@k2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.183.152.77
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1273717054 31232 127.0.0.1 (13 May 2010 02:17:34 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 02:17:34 +0000 (UTC)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: h9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=166.183.152.77; 
 posting-account=iBgNeAoAAADRhzuSC4Ai7MUeMmxtwlM7
User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; 
 Trident/4.0; GTB6.4; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR
 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0),gzip(gfe)