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Article #5306Re: WHO ABANDONS EINSTEIN (APART FROM JOHN BAEZ)?
From: xxein
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:08
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:08
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On Mar 31, 6:56 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001661/ > MINKOWSKI SPACE-TIME: A GLORIOUS NON-ENTITY > Harvey Brown and Oliver Pooley > "It is argued that Minkowski space-time cannot serve as the deep > structure within a "constructive" version of the special theory of > relativity, contrary to widespread opinion in the philosophical > community." > > http://ndpr.nd.edu/review.cfm?id=6603 > "Harvey Brown thinks that most philosophers are confused about > relativity. Most centrally, he thinks they're confused about the > relativistic effects of length contraction and time > dilation.....According to (what Brown alleges is) the dominant view > among substantivalists, the geometrical structure of Minkowski > spacetime plays some role in explaining why moving rods shrink and why > moving clocks run slow. Brown rejects this view. He asserts, instead, > that in order to explain why moving rods shrink we must appeal to the > dynamical laws governing the forces that hold the parts of the rod > together. The geometry of Minkowski spacetime plays no role in this > explanation.....He thinks that good answers to these questions say > something about the way in which the forces holding the parts of the > rod together depend on velocity of the rod. Only that is a story of > what causes the particles to get closer together, and so what causes > the rod to shrink." > > http://www.routledge-philosophy.com/books/Einstein-Relativity-and-Abs... > "Einstein, Relativity and Absolute Simultaneity is an anthology of > original essays by an international team of leading philosophers and > physicists who have come together to reassess the contemporary > paradigm of the relativistic concept of time. A great deal has changed > since 1905 when Einstein proposed his Special Theory of Relativity, > and this book offers a fresh reassessment of Special Relativity's > relativistic concept of time in terms of epistemology, metaphysics, > and physics." > > http://philosophy.ucsd.edu/faculty/ccallender/ > "On Finding 'Real' Time in Quantum Mechanics" (draft) Absolute > Simultaneity. (Eds) W.L. Craig and Q. Smith. NY: OxfordUniversity > Press, 2007. > Craig Callender: "In my opinion, by far the best way for the tenser to > respond to Putnam et al is to adopt the Lorentz 1915 interpretation of > time dilation and Fitzgerald contraction.1 Lorentz attributed these > effects (and hence the famous null results regarding an aether) to the > Lorentz invariance of the dynamical laws governing matter and > radiation, not to spacetime structure. On this view, Lorentz > invariance is not a spacetime symmetry but a dynamical symmetry, and > the special relativistic effects of dilation and contraction are not > purely kinematical. The background spacetime is Newtonian or neo- > Newtonian, not Minkowskian. Both Newtonian and neo-Newtonian spacetime > include a global absolute simultaneity among their invariant > structures (with Newtonian spacetime singling out one of neo-Newtonian > spacetime's many preferred inertial frames as the rest frame). On this > picture, there is no relativity of simultaneity and spacetime is > uniquely decomposable into space and time." > > http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf/files/975547d7-2d00-433a-b7e3-4a... > John Stachel: "It is not so well known that there was "another > Einstein," who from 1916 on was skeptical about the continuum as a > foundational element in physics..." Albert Einstein: "I consider it > entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, > that is on continuous structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole > castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also > nothing of the rest of contemporary physics." > > http://ustl1.univ-lille1.fr/culture/publication/lna/detail/lna40/pgs/... > Jean Eisenstaedt: "Il n'y a alors aucune raison theorique a ce que la > vitesse de la lumiere ne depende pas de la vitesse de sa source ainsi > que de celle de l'observateur terrestre ; plus clairement encore, il > n'y a pas de raison, dans le cadre de la logique des Principia de > Newton, pour que la lumiere se comporte autrement - quant a sa > trajectoire - qu'une particule materielle. Il n'y a pas non plus de > raison pour que la lumiere ne soit pas sensible a la gravitation. > Bref, pourquoi ne pas appliquer a la lumiere toute la theorie > newtonienne ? C'est en fait ce que font plusieurs astronomes, > opticiens, philosophes de la nature a la fin du XVIIIeme siecle. Les > resultats sont etonnants... et aujourd'hui nouveaux." > > Translation from French: "Therefore there is no theoretical reason why > the speed of light should not depend on the speed of the source and > the speed of the terrestrial observer as well; even more clearly, > there is no reason, in the framework of the logic of Newton's > Principia, why light should behave, as far as its trajectory is > concerned, differently from a material particle. Neither is there any > reason why light should not be sensible to gravitation. Briefly, why > don't we apply the whole Newtonian theory to light? In fact, that is > what many astronomers, opticians, philosophers of nature did by the > end of 18th century. The results are surprising....and new nowadays." > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com xxein: Where was John Baez? It doesn't matter anyway. The physic is not his either.
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