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Article #5384CARLO ROVELLI ABOUT EINSTEIN 1905 FALSE LIGHT POSTULATE
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 07:05
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 07:05
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/9403/9403015v1.pdf Carlo Rovelli: "However, the formal content of special relativity is entirely coded in the Lorentz transformations, which were written by Lorentz, not by Einstein, and several years before 1905. What was Einstein's contribution? It was to understand the physical meaning of the Lorentz transformations. We could say, in a provocative manner, that Einstein's contribution to special relativity was the interpretation of the theory, not its formalism : the formalism already existed. Einstein was so persuasive with his interpretation of the Lorentz equations because he did not append an interpretation to them: rather, he re-derivedּthem, starting from two "postulates" with clear physical meaning (equivalence of inertial observers - universality of the speed of light) taken as facts of experience." That the "universality of the speed of light" did not belong to the "facts of experience" in 1905 is more than obvious - Carlo Rovelli is simply lying. Or perhaps Carlo Rovelli is just confused - he says "facts of experience" but in fact sees some theoretical reason behind Einstein's 1905 light postulate? Jean Eisenstaedt would disagree: http://ustl1.univ-lille1.fr/culture/publication/lna/detail/lna40/pgs/4_5.pdf Jean Eisenstaedt: "Il n'y a alors aucune raison theorique a ce que la vitesse de la lumiere ne depende pas de la vitesse de sa source ainsi que de celle de l'observateur terrestre ; plus clairement encore, il n'y a pas de raison, dans le cadre de la logique des Principia de Newton, pour que la lumiere se comporte autrement - quant a sa trajectoire - qu'une particule materielle. Il n'y a pas non plus de raison pour que la lumiere ne soit pas sensible a la gravitation. Bref, pourquoi ne pas appliquer a la lumiere toute la theorie newtonienne ? C'est en fait ce que font plusieurs astronomes, opticiens, philosophes de la nature a la fin du XVIIIeme siecle. Les resultats sont etonnants... et aujourd'hui nouveaux." Translation from French: "Therefore there is no theoretical reason why the speed of light should not depend on the speed of the source and the speed of the terrestrial observer as well; even more clearly, there is no reason, in the framework of the logic of Newton's Principia, why light should behave, as far as its trajectory is concerned, differently from a material particle. Neither is there any reason why light should not be sensible to gravitation. Briefly, why don't we apply the whole Newtonian theory to light? In fact, that is what many astronomers, opticians, philosophers of nature did by the end of 18th century. The results are surprising....and new nowadays." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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