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Article #5391Re: HOW EINSTEINIANS CAN SOLVE THE TWIN PARADOX
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:45
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:45
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> http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its-Roots-Banesh-Hoffmann/dp/0486406768 > "Relativity and Its Roots" by Banesh Hoffmann, Chapter 5. > (I do not have the text in English so I am giving it in French) > Banesh Hoffmann, "La relativite, histoire d'une grande idee", Pour la > Science, Paris, 1999, p. 126: > "Dans un cas, je compare votre horloge a deux des miennes; dans > l'autre, vous comparez la mienne a deux des votres; ceci permet a > chacun de nous d'observer, sans absurdite, que l'horloge de l'autre > est plus lente que la sienne." > > Translation from French: "In one case, I compare your clock with two > of mine; in the other case, you compare my clock with two of yours: > this allows each of us to observe, without absurdity, that the clock > of the other is slower than his own." > > The following observer has two clocks placed on the periphery of a > rotating disc, and is going to compare them with a single non-rotating > clock (at rest): > > http://www.bartleby.com/173/23.html > Albert Einstein (1879-1955). Relativity: The Special and General > Theory. 1920. > XXIII. Behaviour of Clocks and Measuring Rods on a Rotating Body of > Reference > "An observer who is sitting eccentrically on the disc K' is sensible > of a force which acts outwards in a radial direction..." > > The only difficulty comes from the fact that the two rotating clocks > are not inertial. However, by increasing the diameter of the disc > while keeping the linear speed of the periphery constant, one can make > them virtually inertial. > That is, Einsteinians will make two simple modifications in Einstein's > rotating-disc experiment: > > 1. The non-rotating clock (at rest in K) is no longer placed at the > center of the disc; rather, it is outside the disc but close to the > rotating periphery where it can be directly compared with passing > rotating clocks fixed on the periphery. > > 2. Einsteinians will increase the diameter of the disc while keeping > the linear speed of the periphery constant. So clocks fixed on the > rotating periphery will become virtually inertial. > > The two modifications will allow Einsteinians to prove, in accordance > with Einstein's 1905 light postulate, both: > > 1. that rotating clocks run slower than non-rotating clocks. > > 2. that non-rotating clocks run slower than rotating clocks. > > Finally, Einsteinians will see in the dictionary what REDUCTIO AD > ABSURDUM means. Silly walkers at the Perimeter Institute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w inform Einstein zombie world about non-reciprocal time dilation related to the rotating disc. Only the final result is given: the assumption is that Einstein zombie world knows how to deduce it: http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/Outreach/Explore_Our_Universe/Essence_of_General_Relativity/ "So let's imagine that Alice and Bob have identical watches as before, with Bob floating freely "at rest" outside the space station (he is in a spacesuit doing a spacewalk), watching Alice revolving round and round inside the spinning space station. As Alice comes around, she puts her watch up against the window and at the instant she passes by Bob, he sets his watch to read the same time as hers. She then continues around once (just like walking around the block) and the next time they meet Bob looks at Alice's watch through the window and notices that less time has elapsed for her than for him. Time is moving more slowly for Alice than it is for Bob, although, as emphasized earlier, she herself does not experience anything out of the ordinary. It's only when they compare watches that they both notice something strange is happening." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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