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Article #5521Re: STEVE CARLIP AND IGNATIUS OF LOYOLA
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:07
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:07
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On Jan 27, 12:46 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jan 14, 5:17 pm,PentchoValev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_of_light.html > > SteveCarlip: "Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of > > relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and > > he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In > > the 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote: > > ". . . according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the > > constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of > > the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity > > [. . .] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of > > light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light > > varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector > > quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not > > clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to > > special relativity suggests that he did mean so. THIS INTERPRETATION > > IS PERFECTLY VALID AND MAKES GOOD PHYSICAL SENSE, BUT A MORE MODERN > > INTERPRETATION IS THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS CONSTANT in general > > relativity." > > > http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/loyola-spirex.html > > Ignatius ofLoyola: "To be right in everything, we ought always to > > hold that THE WHITE WHICH I SEE, IS BLACK, if the Hierarchical Church > > so decides it...." > > http://media.www.californiaaggie.com/media/storage/paper981/news/2005/12/07/ScienceTech/Professor.Profile.Steven.Carlip-1123328.shtml > Who would you rather be: a student or professor? > Steven Carlip: A professor, especially one with tenure. The professor, especially the one with tenure, solves once and for all the problem with the constancy/variability of the speed of light (Einstein zombie world should realize that it does not make sense to even talk about this problem): http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread/674cdc5f74c1911e? Steve Carlip, Mar 30, 2004: "More generally, there is a strong argument that it doesn't make sense to talk about the variation of a dimensionful constant like c; only dimensionless quantities are really measurable." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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