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Re: ENTROPY: SUPREME LAW OF NATURE OR SCIENCE-KILLER?

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From: kunzmilan
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:19
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On 17 Ún, 16:31, Peter Fairbrother <zenadsl6...@zen.co.uk> wrote:
> I couldn't resist commenting on the title of this thread.
>
> Entropy as the supreme law of nature? It may be the "supreme law" of
> this universe, but I see no evidence that it is the supreme law of
> nature (by "nature" I mean the way all things are, including God as below).
>
> How did this universe get here? Well, we don't know, but there
> is undoubtedly a lot of negentropy about. Let's say "God" created the
> universe, where "God" can be a thinking entity or a blind process as you
> please.
>
> Two possibilities arise: the negentropy was created by God de novo, or
> it was moved from a store of negentropy God has control of.
>
> If the negentropy was created de novo, then there is some process (God)
> which can create negentropy, and the law of entropy is not the supreme
> law of nature.
>
> If the negentropy was moved from a store of negentropy, where did the
> store of negentropy come from? Without descending into infinite
> recursion ("it came from another store, and it's turtles all the way
> down forever"), which I dislike, perhaps the store "just is", or even
> "just was".
>
> Then we ask, is the store of negentropy infinite in extent? If so the
> law of entropy is void for nature (as defined above). If not then the
> law of entropy may be the supreme law of nature - but I don't know of
> any evidence that that is the case.
>
> The answer may be ineffable of course, or even not exist (though they
> may be the same thing as far as we are concerned).
>
> -- Peter Fairbrother

> Negentropy is not a concept of thermodynamics. It was coined, unfortunately for
> him, by Brillouin. He failed to get Nobel price, and tried to connect
> thermodynamics with information theory.
>
> I noted, that H function was derived from the polynomial coefficient, counting all
> possibilities how motion can be distributed between molecules, for example 7
> quantas of motion between 7 molecules. E. g. state aaabbcd can be
> transformed to state bbbccd.  All quantas stick in one place, when we do not
> count with wave functions.
>
> Information entopy measures, how many  information strings can be formed
> from such strings, e. g. string aaabbcd can be transformed to string bababad
> with another meaning. Symbols are dispersed in whole strings, they behave
> differently from molecules. These possibilities measured by another  polynomial
> coefficient. Both coefficients can be identified in the distribution known under
> Brillouin's name.
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