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THE COMPLETELY AGNOSTIC SPECIAL RELATIVITY

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From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:44
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http://www.tc.umn.edu/~janss011/

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~janss011/pdf%20files/harvey.pdf
Michel Janssen: "This is the ontological constellation favored by
Brown (2005): "I see the absolute geometrical structures of Minkowski
space-time as parasitic on the relativistic properties of the
dynamical matter fields" (p. 100)......Brown (2005) characterizes the
Minkowski metric as "no more than a codification of the behaviour of
rods and clocks" (p. 9). Once again, my only complaint is that this
characterization privileges rods and clocks. I would say that
Minkowski space-time (both its metric and its affine structure)
encodes the default spatio-temporal behavior of all physical systems
in a world in accordance with the laws of special relativity. Special
relativity is completely agnostic about what inhabits or--to phrase it
more awkwardly but in a way that may be more congenial to a relationist
--carries Minkowski space-time. All the theory has to say about systems
inhabiting/carrying Minkowski spacetime is that their spatio-temporal
behavior must be in accordance with the rules it encodes."

That is, special relativity is completely agnostic about the way in
which criminal Einsteinians can trap a long train inside a short
tunnel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSRIyDfo_mY&mode=related&search=

and also a 80m long pole inside a 40m long barn:

http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/barn_pole.html
"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors
at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a
switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in
the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an
instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you
close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open
them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the
contracted pole shut up in your barn."

Perhaps criminal Einsteinians can perform those miracles by muttering
Einstein's 1905 false light postulate: "speed of light is constant
independent of the speed of the source speed of light is constant
independent of the speed of the source speed of light is constant
independent of the speed of the source...." etc. However now that
Michel Janssen has discovered special relativity is completely
agnostic, Einstein zombie world will have to abandon any hope to know
how long the train trapped inside the short tunnel is or any other
miraculous detail. Criminal Einsteinians can just trap long things
inside short things and that's it.

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
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