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Article #554Re: NEWTON AND MAXWELL REASONABLE, EINSTEIN ABSURD
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 04:19
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 04:19
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Einsteiniana's fundamental absurdities: An infinitely long object can be trapped inside an infinitely short container. So Einsteinians can gloriously obtain any decrease in the object's volume: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/barn_pole.html "These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in the barn. Now someone takes the pole and tries to run (at nearly the speed of light) through the barn with the pole horizontal. Special Relativity (SR) says that a moving object is contracted in the direction of motion: this is called the Lorentz Contraction. So, if the pole is set in motion lengthwise, then it will contract in the reference frame of a stationary observer.....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn. The runner emerges from the far door unscathed.....If the doors are kept shut the rod will obviously smash into the barn door at one end. If the door withstands this the leading end of the rod will come to rest in the frame of reference of the stationary observer. There can be no such thing as a rigid rod in relativity so the trailing end will not stop immediately and the rod will be compressed beyond the amount it was Lorentz contracted. If it does not explode under the strain and it is sufficiently elastic it will come to rest and start to spring back to its natural shape but since it is too big for the barn the other end is now going to crash into the back door and the rod will be trapped in a compressed state inside the barn." An Einsteinian travelling with the rivet sees the bug squashed. The bug sees itself alive and kicking: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/Relativ/bugrivet.html "The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is similar to the pole-barn paradox.....The end of the rivet hits the bottom of the hole before the head of the rivet hits the wall. So it looks like the bug is squashed.....All this is nonsense from the bug's point of view. The rivet head hits the wall when the rivet end is just 0.35 cm down in the hole! The rivet doesn't get close to the bug....The paradox is not resolved." As two Einsteinians pass each other for the first time, either sees the other's clock running SLOW (original absurdity). If, however, one of the Einsteinians is nostalgic and wants to return and see his brother again, on the second meeting he finds that the other Einsteinian's clock has in fact been running FAST (superimposed absurdity): http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ ON THE ELECTRODYNAMICS OF MOVING BODIES By A. Einstein June 30, 1905: "...light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body. (...) From this there ensues the following peculiar consequence. If at the points A and B of K there are stationary clocks which, viewed in the stationary system, are synchronous; and if the clock at A is moved with the velocity v along the line AB to B, then on its arrival at B the two clocks no longer synchronize, but the clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which has remained at B by tv^2/2c^2 (up to magnitudes of fourth and higher order), t being the time occupied in the journey from A to B. It is at once apparent that this result still holds good if the clock moves from A to B in any polygonal line, and also when the points A and B coincide. If we assume that the result proved for a polygonal line is also valid for a continuously curved line, we arrive at this result: If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved in a closed curve with constant velocity until it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds, then by the clock which has remained at rest the travelled clock on its arrival at A will be tv^2/2c^2 second slow." Einsteinian clocks placed at different gravitational potentials run at different rates. The effect is insensitive to the gravitational field difference (the two clocks may experience virtually the same gravitational field) and this makes the absurdity particularly exciting: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/02/scientists-obtain-highly-accurate-relativity-measurements.ars "For example, if we synchronize two clocks, take one of them to the top of a mountain for a while, and then bring it back to where the other clock is, the clock that sat still will be running behind the clock that was in the mountains - it was in a more accelerated frame, and time passed more slowly there." http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~djmorin/book.html Chapter 14: "The equivalence principle has a striking consequence concerning the behavior of clocks in a gravitational field. It implies that higher clocks run faster than lower clocks. If you put a watch on top of a tower, and then stand on the ground, you will see the watch on the tower tick faster than an identical watch on your wrist. When you take the watch down and compare it to the one on your wrist, it will show more time elapsed." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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