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Article #5554Re: LEE SMOLIN AGAINST ISAAC NEWTON
From: rbwinn
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:52
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:52
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On Feb 6, 11:54�am, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 6, 12:39 pm, Albertito <albertito1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 6 feb, 16:48, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote: > > > > <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:4695358e-db97-4485-94b4-06f417a451d4@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > On 6 f�v, 02:34, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > >http://philipball.blogspot.com/2007/09/arthur-eddington-was-innocent-... > > > > "With the technology then available, measuring the bending of > > > > starlight was very challenging. And contrary to popular belief, > > > > Newtonian physics did not predict that light would remain undeflected > > > > - Einstein himself pointed out in 1911 that Newtonian gravity should > > > > cause some deviation too. So the matter was not that of an all-or- > > > > nothing shift in stars' positions, but hinged on the exact numbers." > > > > | Right. > > > > | Classical Newtonian mechanics predicts that light will bend with > > > | twice the angle observed. > > > > How? > > > I'll tell you how. In order to see how newtonian gravity can > > bend the trajectory of a photon, relativists fake it. They > > magically tranform a photon with energy E into a particle > > with mass m = E/2c^2, it is saying �half the mass in E = mc^2. > > Then, relativists assume that particle passes by the massive > > body from infinity travelling locally at c, and then they can > > apply newtonian gravity to see how its trajectory is deflected > > into a hyperbolic one. As a result there is a deflection angle > > twice the observed one. A particle with mass m = E/c^2, > > travelling locally at c from infinity, would be deflected in > > the correct angle, under newtonian gravity. > > Why don't you do the Newtonian calculation before > making this claim? > > � � � � � - Randy- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, going back to the astronaut with his slower clock, it appears to me that he would come up with a different gravitational constant than the observer on earth because the velocity of the satellite relative to earth would be faster according to his clock. Robert B. Winn
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