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Re: LEE SMOLIN AGAINST ISAAC NEWTON

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From: Eric Gisse
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:40
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On Feb 9, 7:46 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 8:42�pm, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 7:53 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > OK, so you do not believe Kepler had a number.
>
> > I didn't say whether I believed Kepler had a number of not.
> > I asked you what number you were referring to.
>
> > > Kepler thought that he
> > > did. �It was R^3/T^2 = 3.353, more or less.
>
> > OK, that's a number. What about it?
>
> > > Newton used Kepler's number in his equation for the centripetal force
> > > on a planet.
>
> > No, Newton didn't "use Kepler's number". Newton
> > proved why R and T have this relation from more fundamental
> > considerations.
>
> > > Now I don't know what you are saying about welding.
>
> > I'm asking you what theory you want to talk about.
>
> > (1) Newton's theory, which would be the theory that, you know,
> > was Newton's. I will only insist on sticking to Newton physics
> > if you say that we are having a "pure Newtonian" discussion.
> > That would be what is implied by the words "Newtonian"
> > and "pure".
>
> > (2) GR, where time is affected by gravitational potential
> > and orbits are geodesics, or
>
> > (3) Some theory where you have welded GR results with
> > Newtonian equations, which is neither GR nor Newton but
> > a hybrid monster, and possibly not drivable.
>
> > I'm happy to talk about one, but you have to pick. Don't
> > say you're talking about (1) and then immediately switch
> > to (3).
>
> > You have some question about the GR effect of time
> > and gravitational fields. So we're in either (2) or
> > (3). Which is it, and what's your question?
>
> > � � � � - Randy
>
> I don't really have any questions any more.  I had a question about 20
> years ago which I posted in this newsgroup which was about the two
> little equations Einstein extracted from the Lorentz equations, x=ct,
> x'=ct'.   After years and years of nonsense, I finally figured out the
> answer to my question.  Einstein's two little equations were wrong.
> The Lorentz equations were not the correct equations for what Einstein
> said he was doing.

20 years and you still don't understand? Nice.

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Subject: Re: LEE SMOLIN AGAINST ISAAC NEWTON
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