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Re: LEE SMOLIN AGAINST ISAAC NEWTON

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From: Androcles
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:26
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<srp2inc@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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On 6 f�v, 18:03, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 6 f�v, 16:36, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
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> > <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On 6 f�v, 15:04, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
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> > > On 6 f�v, 12:15, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
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> > > > <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > >news:9e602017-6b46-4986-8dc3-352c0109f267@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On 6 f�v, 11:48, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
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> > > > > <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > >news:4695358e-db97-4485-94b4-06f417a451d4@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On 6 f�v, 02:34, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > >http://philipball.blogspot.com/2007/09/arthur-eddington-was-innocent-...
> > > > > > "With the technology then available, measuring the bending of
> > > > > > starlight was very challenging. And contrary to popular belief,
> > > > > > Newtonian physics did not predict that light would remain
> > > > > > undeflected
> > > > > > - Einstein himself pointed out in 1911 that Newtonian gravity
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > cause some deviation too. So the matter was not that of an 
> > > > > > all-or-
> > > > > > nothing shift in stars' positions, but hinged on the exact
> > > > > > numbers."
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> > > > > | Right.
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> > > > > | Classical Newtonian mechanics predicts that light will bend with
> > > > > | twice the angle observed.
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> > > > > How?
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> > > > | Lapsus. Its the reverse.
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> > > > | I meant to write half the angle observed. and for corrected
> > > > | relativistic
> > > > | Newtonian, the angle is twice that of classical Newtonian, as is
> > > > | observed.
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> > > > Ok, but my real question is how does classical Newtonian mechanics
> > > > prophesy that light will bend at all? It does, I'm wondering if you,
> > > > Eddington or Einstein knows how.
>
> > > | They certainly did since Einstein did the calculation himself.
> > > | And I do too.
>
> > > | Explained summarily, to proceed, for the requirements of
> > > | calculation he converted the energy of a photon to its
> > > | equivalent mass (m=E/c^2) and proceeded to calculate
> > > | the deflection of theoretical "masses" for visible light
> > > | photons as they grazed the Sun mass.
>
> > > | This gave half the deflection angle that was later observed.
>
> > > | His calculations are in a paper from 1911 titled
> > > | "�ber den Einflu� der Schwerkraft auf die Ausbreitung
> > > | des Lichter"
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> > > | He later 1915 corrected the figures and obtained the
> > > | right deflection (twice that of classical Newtonian).
>
> > > | However, the same correct deflection angle can easily
> > > | be obtained from upgraded relativistic Newtonian,
> > > | something that has never been documented, since the
> > > | 1919 Eddington et al. observation was specifically
> > > | meant to prove the superiority of GR over classical
> > > | mechanics.
>
> > > | Just like the community never considered confirming
> > > | atomic clock speeding up with altitude with parallel
> > > | mechanical clocks experiments.
>
> > > | They were not looking for the truth, but to prove
> > > | a point.
>
> > > Androcles' third law:
> > >  For every photon there is an equal and opposite rephoton.
> > >  http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rephoton.gif
> > > (from Newton's third law and Huygens's wave superposition,
> > > photons have direction and come in pairs)
>
> > | My view is de Broglie's on photons. I see them as complex
> > | standing harmonic oscillators in motion, with only half
> > | their energy oscillating electromagnetically. The other
> > | half is is oriented in the direction of motion and is
> > | thus impervious to transverse force interaction.
>
> > Whilst I concur with "harmonic oscillators in motion"
> >  http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.gif
> >  http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/Photon.gif
> >  http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/photon.gif
>
> | I see. Standing dephased pi/2.
>
> Of course... the magnetic field cannot be zero at the same
> time as the electric field or energy would not be conserved.
> E = -dB/dt

| In 3D + time classical wave theory yes.

Fine, that's the world I live in.


| But with 9D + time

Go away, crank, go live in your 9D universe.
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