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Article #5572Re: LEE SMOLIN AGAINST ISAAC NEWTON
From: Androcles
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:26
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:26
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<srp2inc@gmail.com> wrote in message news:84d3aea4-9f34-4c67-bb63-0edc77c1c822@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On 6 f�v, 18:03, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote: > <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:de3fc74d-67c4-40e0-b4e0-879181e1df3d@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com... > On 6 f�v, 16:36, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote: > > > > > <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:4cec669b-7209-44ab-bfc8-ee056347995a@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > > On 6 f�v, 15:04, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote: > > > > <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:6ba03bd0-12cf-4b68-a7e7-0b84a3e036c6@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > On 6 f�v, 12:15, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote: > > > > > <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:9e602017-6b46-4986-8dc3-352c0109f267@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > > On 6 f�v, 11:48, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote: > > > > > > <srp2...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:4695358e-db97-4485-94b4-06f417a451d4@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 6 f�v, 02:34, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > >http://philipball.blogspot.com/2007/09/arthur-eddington-was-innocent-... > > > > > > "With the technology then available, measuring the bending of > > > > > > starlight was very challenging. And contrary to popular belief, > > > > > > Newtonian physics did not predict that light would remain > > > > > > undeflected > > > > > > - Einstein himself pointed out in 1911 that Newtonian gravity > > > > > > should > > > > > > cause some deviation too. So the matter was not that of an > > > > > > all-or- > > > > > > nothing shift in stars' positions, but hinged on the exact > > > > > > numbers." > > > > > > | Right. > > > > > > | Classical Newtonian mechanics predicts that light will bend with > > > > > | twice the angle observed. > > > > > > How? > > > > > | Lapsus. Its the reverse. > > > > > | I meant to write half the angle observed. and for corrected > > > > | relativistic > > > > | Newtonian, the angle is twice that of classical Newtonian, as is > > > > | observed. > > > > > Ok, but my real question is how does classical Newtonian mechanics > > > > prophesy that light will bend at all? It does, I'm wondering if you, > > > > Eddington or Einstein knows how. > > > > | They certainly did since Einstein did the calculation himself. > > > | And I do too. > > > > | Explained summarily, to proceed, for the requirements of > > > | calculation he converted the energy of a photon to its > > > | equivalent mass (m=E/c^2) and proceeded to calculate > > > | the deflection of theoretical "masses" for visible light > > > | photons as they grazed the Sun mass. > > > > | This gave half the deflection angle that was later observed. > > > > | His calculations are in a paper from 1911 titled > > > | "�ber den Einflu� der Schwerkraft auf die Ausbreitung > > > | des Lichter" > > > > | He later 1915 corrected the figures and obtained the > > > | right deflection (twice that of classical Newtonian). > > > > | However, the same correct deflection angle can easily > > > | be obtained from upgraded relativistic Newtonian, > > > | something that has never been documented, since the > > > | 1919 Eddington et al. observation was specifically > > > | meant to prove the superiority of GR over classical > > > | mechanics. > > > > | Just like the community never considered confirming > > > | atomic clock speeding up with altitude with parallel > > > | mechanical clocks experiments. > > > > | They were not looking for the truth, but to prove > > > | a point. > > > > Androcles' third law: > > > For every photon there is an equal and opposite rephoton. > > > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rephoton.gif > > > (from Newton's third law and Huygens's wave superposition, > > > photons have direction and come in pairs) > > > | My view is de Broglie's on photons. I see them as complex > > | standing harmonic oscillators in motion, with only half > > | their energy oscillating electromagnetically. The other > > | half is is oriented in the direction of motion and is > > | thus impervious to transverse force interaction. > > > Whilst I concur with "harmonic oscillators in motion" > > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.gif > > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/Photon.gif > > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/photon.gif > > | I see. Standing dephased pi/2. > > Of course... the magnetic field cannot be zero at the same > time as the electric field or energy would not be conserved. > E = -dB/dt | In 3D + time classical wave theory yes. Fine, that's the world I live in. | But with 9D + time Go away, crank, go live in your 9D universe.
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