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Article #5638Re: LEE SMOLIN AGAINST ISAAC NEWTON
From: mitchgrav
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:28
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:28
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On Feb 6, 7:29 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 6, 2:10 pm, srp2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > On 6 fév, 17:38, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 6, 6:33 am, srp2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On 6 fév, 02:34, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >http://philipball.blogspot.com/2007/09/arthur-eddington-was-innocent-... > > > > > "With the technology then available, measuring the bending of > > > > > starlight was very challenging. And contrary to popular belief, > > > > > Newtonian physics did not predict that light would remain undeflected > > > > > - Einstein himself pointed out in 1911 that Newtonian gravity should > > > > > cause some deviation too. So the matter was not that of an all-or- > > > > > nothing shift in stars' positions, but hinged on the exact numbers." > > > > > Right. > > > > > Classical Newtonian mechanics predicts that light will bend with > > > > twice the angle observed. > > > > > Relativistic Newtonian mechanics however predicts the correct > > > > angle since it is now understood that only half a photon's energy > > > > is sensitive to transverse interaction. > > > > Uhhhhh....no. General relativity [is NOT "relativistic Newtonian > > > mechanics] makes the correct prediction > > > So does relativistic Newtonian mechanics, in perfect harmony > > with Maxwell's theory. > > A relativistic Newtonian mechanics is a contradiction in terms. > > The fact is that general relativity makes the predictions about light > bending /without/ reference to Maxwell's equations or anything about > light /other/ than it traveling on a null path. Is there a particular > reason you can't open up a textbook, see the derivation, repeat the > derivation, and compare with observation? > > > > > > > André Michaud- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Light falls. Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008
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