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Article #5657Re: EINSTEIN: IF I GO DOWN, EVERYTHING GOES DOWN
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:57
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:57
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On Jan 29, 8:45 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=317&Itemid=81&lecture_id=3576 > > http://streamer.perimeterinstitute.ca/mediasite/viewer/NoPopupRedirector.aspx?peid=685dc5bb-80f8-4edc-9628-18b53b20c6e0&shouldResize=False > Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot > be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures. > Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the > theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary > physics." > John Stachel's comment: "If I go down, everything goes down, ha ha, > hm, ha ha ha." > > And Einsteinians decided to save the money-spinner. Since the speed of > DISCONTINUOUS light particles obeys the equation c'=c+v given by > Newton's emission theory of light, John Stachel and his sycophant Jean > Eisenstaedt discovered that the emission theory and Divine Albert's > Divine Theory were compatible and then added the former to the latter: > > http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html > John Stachel: "Not only is the theory [of relativity] compatible with > an emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of > light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also > requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an > absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that > radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain > circumstances." > > http://ustl1.univ-lille1.fr/culture/publication/lna/detail/lna40/pgs/4_5.pdf > Jean Eisenstaedt: "Il n'y a alors aucune raison theorique a ce que la > vitesse de la lumiere ne depende pas de la vitesse de sa source ainsi > que de celle de l'observateur terrestre ; plus clairement encore, il > n'y a pas de raison, dans le cadre de la logique des Principia de > Newton, pour que la lumiere se comporte autrement - quant a sa > trajectoire - qu'une particule materielle. Il n'y a pas non plus de > raison pour que la lumiere ne soit pas sensible a la gravitation. > Bref, pourquoi ne pas appliquer a la lumiere toute la theorie > newtonienne ? C'est en fait ce que font plusieurs astronomes, > opticiens, philosophes de la nature a la fin du XVIIIeme siecle. Les > resultats sont etonnants... et aujourd'hui nouveaux." > > Translation from French: "Therefore there is no theoretical reason why > the speed of light should not depend on the speed of the source and > the speed of the terrestrial observer as well; even more clearly, > there is no reason, in the framework of the logic of Newton's > Principia, why light should behave, as far as its trajectory is > concerned, differently from a material particle. Neither is there any > reason why light should not be sensible to gravitation. Briefly, why > don't we apply the whole Newtonian theory to light? In fact, that is > what many astronomers, opticians, philosophers of nature did by the > end of 18th century. The results are surprising....and new nowadays." http://discovermagazine.com/2004/sep/the-masters-mistakes "Einstein explained the so-called photoelectric effect by asserting that light, which was known to flow in CONTINUOUS waves, could also be regarded as sputtering along in DISCRETE PARTICLES, or quanta. Each of these particles--every quantum of light at a given wavelength--carried the same amount of energy, he argued, and so dispatched a single electron with the same energetic kick. Thus did Einstein discover the photon. He lived to regret it." http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf/files/975547d7-2d00-433a-b7e3-4a09145525ca.pdf John Stachel: "It is not so well known that there was "another Einstein," who from 1916 on was skeptical about the CONTINUUM as a foundational element in physics..." Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on CONTINUOUS structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary physics." http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its-Roots-Banesh-Hoffmann/dp/0486406768 "Relativity and Its Roots" by Banesh Hoffmann, Chapter 5. (I do not have the text in English so I am giving it in French) Banesh Hoffmann, "La relativite, histoire d'une grande idee", Pour la Science, Paris, 1999, p. 112: "De plus, si l'on admet que la lumiere est constituee de particules, comme Einstein l'avait suggere dans son premier article, 13 semaines plus tot, le second principe parait absurde: une pierre jetee d'un train qui roule tres vite fait bien plus de degats que si on la jette d'un train a l'arret. Or, d'apres Einstein, la vitesse d'une certaine particule ne serait pas independante du mouvement du corps qui l'emet! Si nous considerons que la lumiere est composee de particules qui obeissent aux lois de Newton, ces particules se conformeront a la relativite newtonienne. Dans ce cas, il n'est pas necessaire de recourir a la contraction des longueurs, au temps local ou a la transformation de Lorentz pour expliquer l'echec de l'experience de Michelson-Morley. Einstein, comme nous l'avons vu, resista cependant a la tentation d'expliquer ces echecs a l'aide des idees newtoniennes, simples et familieres. Il introduisit son second postulat, plus ou moins evident lorsqu'on pensait en termes d'ondes dans l'ether." Translation from French: "Moreover, if one admits that light consists of particles, as Einstein had suggested in his first paper, 13 weeks earlier, the second principle seems absurd: a stone thrown from a fast- moving train causes much more damage than one thrown from a train at rest. Now, according to Einstein, the speed of a particle would not be independent of the state of motion of the emitting body! If we consider light as composed of particles that obey Newton's laws, those particles would conform to Newtonian relativity. In this case, it is not necessary to resort to length contration, local time and Lorentz transformations in explaining the negative result of the Michelson- Morley experiment. Einstein however, as we have seen, resisted the temptation to explain the negative result in terms of Newton's ideas, simple and familiar. He introduced his second postulate, more or less evident as one thinks in terms of waves in aether." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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