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Article #5674VARIABLE SPEED OF LIGHT AND RELATIVISTIC VERBIAGE
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:38
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:38
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The fact that the speed of light varies with the gravitational potential (Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2)) is rarely referred to explicitly by criminal Einsteinians; usually they prefer to destroy human rationality in this way: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread/c46ce30871328b4a? Tom Roberts Jan 29 2008: "There are several ways to interpret such a physical situation: A) the photon gains energy by falling in the gravitational field. B) the photon is blueshifted due to its travel between heights in the gravitational field. C) the energy scales of atom and detector are different, due to their difference in gravitational potential; the photon does not change energy (or frequency) during its journey, but it registers more energy in the detector due to change of scale (time scales also differ). All three interpretations are valid, and correspond to using different coordinate systems to describe the physical situation. So one cannot say unambiguously that the photon does or does not change energy, does or does not change frequency, or that the scale of energy does or does not change with height. At base, the difference is due to the non-local nature of this physical situation in the gravitational field, and the difficulty (inherent ambiguity) in GR of describing non-local situations. This is traceable to the problems of doing integrals on curved manifolds, and the result is that energy is conserved only locally in GR. But there is an approximation that is often appropriate: if a system is localized in spacetime and has no outside interactions, then one can draw a closed boundary containing the system, with no energy or momentum crossing the boundary and the manifold is asymptotically flat there -- then inside the boundary the total energy and momentum are conserved. This applies to the original three situations, but one cannot draw such a boundary between the emitter and the detector in this last situation." Tom Roberts Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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X-Google-Thread: 10f545,1cb971595bf0fe4,start X-Google-Thread: 10b271,1cb971595bf0fe4,start X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,1cb971595bf0fe4,start X-Google-Thread: 1139f8,1cb971595bf0fe4,start X-Google-Thread: f55d3,1cb971595bf0fe4,start X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gidfa4c1,gid1139f8,gidf55d3,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!b2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, fr.sci.physique, fr.sci.maths, fr.sci.philo Subject: VARIABLE SPEED OF LIGHT AND RELATIVISTIC VERBIAGE Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:38:03 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <ad38e4bf-3299-40d9-84e3-3d81d547936d@b2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.91.141.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1201768683 6992 127.0.0.1 (31 Jan 2008 08:38:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.91.141.159; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)