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Article #5693Re: VARIABLE SPEED OF LIGHT AND RELATIVISTIC VERBIAGE
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:41
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:41
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On Jan 31, 10:38 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The fact that the speed of light varies with the gravitational > potential (Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2)) is rarely referred > to explicitly by criminal Einsteinians; usually they prefer to destroy > human rationality in this way: > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread/c46ce30871328b4a? > Tom Roberts Jan 29 2008: > "There are several ways to interpret such a physical situation: > A) the photon gains energy by falling in the gravitational field. > B) the photon is blueshifted due to its travel between heights in > the gravitational field. > C) the energy scales of atom and detector are different, due to > their difference in gravitational potential; the photon does not > change energy (or frequency) during its journey, but it registers more > energy in the detector due to change of scale (time scales also > differ). > All three interpretations are valid, and correspond to using different > coordinate systems to describe the physical situation. So one cannot > say unambiguously that the photon does or does not change energy, does > or does not change frequency, or that the scale of energy does or does > not change with height. > At base, the difference is due to the non-local nature of this > physical situation in the gravitational field, and the difficulty > (inherent ambiguity) in GR of describing non-local situations. This is > traceable to the problems of doing integrals on curved manifolds, and > the result is that energy is conserved only locally in GR. > But there is an approximation that is often appropriate: if a system > is localized in spacetime and has no outside interactions, then one > can draw a closed boundary containing the system, with no energy or > momentum crossing the boundary and the manifold is asymptotically flat > there -- then inside the boundary the total energy and momentum are > conserved. This applies to the original three situations, but one > cannot draw such a boundary between the emitter and the detector in > this last situation." Tom Roberts http://www.uni-koeln.de/minkowski/ "Hermann Minkowski's famous lecture held in Cologne on September 21, 1908 was a milestone on the way to our modern understanding of space and time. In it Minkowski laid bare the mathematical core of the special theory of relativity - the unification of space and time into four-dimensional spacetime. Although at first sceptical, Einstein soon adopted this point of view and constructed with its help his theory of general relativity, in which gravitation is interpreted as a manifestation of spacetime geometry. The general theory of relativity provides the basis of our physical world view at the non-quantum level, and its applications range from cosmology to everyday life. However, modifications in our understanding of space and time are expected to emerge from a more fundamental theory that unifies gravitation with quantum theory; promising candidates are quantum general relativity and string theory. In the history of science, Minkowski's lecture can be interpreted as the end point of a development in geometry. It marks the transition from space as a unique concept in the sense of traditional Euclidean geometry to space as a model. In this new paradigm, many different spaces are considered, and the most appropriate one is selected. In our centennial conference, concepts of space and spacetime will be addressed from the points of views of physics, mathematics, and the history of science. We aim to do justice to Minkowski's great contribution. On the one hand, the historical development and in particular Minkowski's contribution will be discussed; on the other hand, we shall highlight the concept of spacetime in modern physics and mathematics as well as possible modifications in future theories, notably quantum gravity. The conference will be strongly interdisciplinary and should be attractive, in particular, for undergraduate and graduate students of the considered disciplines, but also for more senior scientists." http://www.univ-nancy2.fr/DepPhilo/walter/talks/2008esi.pdf Hermann Minkowski and The Scandal of Spacetime Scott Walter "Unlike Poincarรฉ, Einstein famously excluded the ether from physics, and defined time and space coordinates in terms of ideal rods and clocks in inertial frames. I A clock transported with constant speed v around a closed curve would show a lag of 1/2t(v/c)^2 seconds with respect to a clock at rest, initially sychronized with the mobile clock. For Einstein, this was just another "peculiar consequence" of his kinematic assumptions, offering him no further insight to the theory of space and time (Einstein, 1905, p. 904)." http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001661/ Minkowski space-time: a glorious non-entity Brown, Harvey R. and Pooley, Oliver Those "scandal of spacetime", "glorious non-entity" and numerous hints at abandoning Minkowski's idiocy clearly show that now all Einsteinians know that Einstein's 1905 light postulate is false. However the 100 years old verbiage developed in Einstein criminal cult will continue to be perfect camouflage, perhaps forever. Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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