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Article #5706DIVINE ALBERT, POINCARE, NON-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:30
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:30
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http://hem.bredband.net/b153434/Works/Einstein.htm Divine Albert: "In a space which is free of gravitational fields we introduce a Galilean system of reference K (x, y, z, t), and also a system of co-ordinates K' (x', y', z', t') in uniform rotation relatively to K. Let the origins of both systems, as well as their axes of Z, permanently coincide. We shall show that for a space-time measurement in the system K' the above definition of the physical meaning of lengths and times cannot be maintained. For reasons of symmetry it is clear that a circle around the origin in the X, Y plane of K may at the same time be regarded as a circle in the X', Y' plane of K'. We suppose that the circumference and diameter of this circle have been measured with a unit measure infinitely small compared with the radius, and that we have the quotient of the two results. If this experiment were performed with a measuring-rod at rest relatively to the Galilean system K, the quotient would be [pi]. With a measuring- rod at rest relatively to K', the quotient would be greater than [pi]. This is readily understood if we envisage the whole process of measuring from the "stationary" system K, and take into consideration that the measuring-rod applied to the periphery undergoes a Lorentzian contraction, while the one applied along the radius does not. Hence Euclidean geometry does not apply to K'." Why does Divine Albert believe that, "with a measuring-rod at rest relatively to K', the quotient would be greater than [pi]"? Obviously because "the measuring-rod applied to the periphery undergoes a Lorentzian contraction". Then why does the segment of the periphery, to which the measuring-rod is applied and which moves together with the measuring-rod, fail to undergo a Lorentzian contraction? In 1902, in "La Science et l'hypothese", Henri Poincare, in order to justify non-Euclidean geometries, presented a parabole. Bidimensional creatures live on a disc. The disc is heated under its center so that the temperature is high at the center and decreases towards the periphery. The creatures use rigid measuring rods in order to determine the geometry of their world. They know nothing about the heater and accordingly discover that the ratio of the circumference and the diameter is greater than [pi]. The creatures conclude that Euclidean geometry cannot be true on their disc. Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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