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Article #5714Re: DIVINE ALBERT, POINCARE, NON-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY
From: Jeckyl
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:27
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:27
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> On Jan 30, 5:30 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> http://hem.bredband.net/b153434/Works/Einstein.htm >> Divine Albert: "In a space which is free of gravitational fields we >> introduce a Galilean system of reference K (x, y, z, t), and also a >> system of co-ordinates K' (x', y', z', t') in uniform rotation >> relatively to K. Let the origins of both systems, as well as their >> axes of Z, permanently coincide. We shall show that for a space-time >> measurement in the system K' the above definition of the physical >> meaning of lengths and times cannot be maintained. For reasons of >> symmetry it is clear that a circle around the origin in the X, Y plane >> of K may at the same time be regarded as a circle in the X', Y' plane >> of K'. We suppose that the circumference and diameter of this circle >> have been measured with a unit measure infinitely small compared with >> the radius, and that we have the quotient of the two results. If this >> experiment were performed with a measuring-rod at rest relatively to >> the Galilean system K, the quotient would be [pi]. With a measuring- >> rod at rest relatively to K', the quotient would be greater than [pi]. >> This is readily understood if we envisage the whole process of >> measuring from the "stationary" system K, and take into consideration >> that the measuring-rod applied to the periphery undergoes a Lorentzian >> contraction, while the one applied along the radius does not. Hence >> Euclidean geometry does not apply to K'." >> >> Why does Divine Albert believe that, "with a measuring-rod at rest >> relatively to K', the quotient would be greater than [pi]"? Obviously >> because "the measuring-rod applied to the periphery undergoes a >> Lorentzian contraction". Then why does the segment of the periphery, >> to which the measuring-rod is applied and which moves together with >> the measuring-rod, fail to undergo a Lorentzian contraction? The rod when measuring the radius has its long edge aligned in the direction of a radial line, and so the long edge is not in the diretio of motion (it is a right angles to it) so you get no contraction in length of ruler (but you do get one in the width). When the rod is turned around to measure along the periphery, the long edge of the rod aligned in the direction of motion and so it is contracted, but this time the width is not.
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