Article View: sci.physics.relativity
Article #5719Re: FORGET ABOUT EINSTEIN 1905 FALSE LIGHT POSTULATE!
From: Eric Baird
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:20
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:20
80 lines
5355 bytes
5355 bytes
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:03:23 -0800 (PST), Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote <in part>: <snipp> ... >OK but your "position" should be looked for in the awful mixture of >irrelevant verbiage and advertisment of your book that you offer. Well, if you want to present my views as corresponding to an unpublished paper that's nine years old, and I've put out an followup amendment/correction paper and a big book since then, I think I'm entitled to point out that the book gives a better representation of those ideas. <ad>And it has more pictures. Ten quid GBP, fifteen dollars US, oversized format, nearly 400 pages, more than 200 illustrations, available through all good bookshops now.</ad> http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Curved-Spacetime-without-relativity/dp/0955706807 And it has a picture of a frog in it. Heh! <grins> >You >tend to present yourself as a maverick or something like that Well, I had to interject when you seemed to be describing me as apparently "continuing to worship, as fiercely as possible, general relativity." Because actually, I think I may be one of the general theory's most serious critics. Really. I think I've probably identified and described more problems and potential problems with the structure of Einstein's general theory than anyone else (or at least, more than anyone else who's prepared to talk about the subject publicly). >must admit that some orthodox Einsteinians discuss the problem >immeasurably better than you: > > http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its-Roots-Banesh-Hoffmann/dp/0486406768 >"Relativity and Its Roots" by Banesh Hoffmann, Chapter 5. >(I do not have the text in English so I am giving it in French) >Banesh Hoffmann, "La relativite, histoire d'une grande idee", Pour la >Science, Paris, 1999, p. 112: <snipp> >Translation from French: "Moreover, if one admits that light consists >of particles, as Einstein had suggested in his first paper, 13 weeks >earlier, the second principle seems absurd: a stone thrown from a fast- >moving train causes much more damage than one thrown from a train at >rest. Now, according to Einstein, the speed of a particle would not be >independent of the state of motion of the emitting body! If we >consider light as composed of particles that obey Newton's laws, those >particles would conform to Newtonian relativity. In this case, it is >not necessary to resort to length contration, local time and Lorentz >transformations in explaining the negative result of the Michelson- >Morley experiment. Einstein however, as we have seen, resisted the >temptation to explain the negative result in terms of Newton's ideas, >simple and familiar. He introduced his second postulate, more or less >evident as one thinks in terms of waves in aether." > >Pentcho Valev >pvalev@yahoo.com I think Einstein is supposed to have worked on emission theory himself for a while, but he couldn't find a satisfactory way to reconcile the idea of emission theory with the idea that lightspeed would be constant for the observer as well as for the emitting body. Lorentz had been framing his equations in terms of wave theory, and when Einstein produced his electrodynamics paper, he followed Lorentz's lead. =Erk= (Eric Baird) www.chocolatetreebooks.com
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<r2d2q3d7inbc96u93carcd0enqeat24i89@4ax.com>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mailReferences:
<daf17514-1b2e-40f3-a53d-4de97cc45a32@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <q4abj.268951$R04.13646900@phobos.telenet-ops.be> <3f5c7515-7fa3-4d9d-83bf-ce1ad2187548@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <85e062f2-4030-4c86-92f0-e81177243217@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <32uqo3p0qs0ddql1je5uj25tjuq5kh4qr6@4ax.com> <b21311db-8966-4ceb-88c8-b3f999f1e5bd@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> <8d60q3lfqu2d3qlqjr1n4k3365ck6i0dm4@4ax.com> <44b93b02-1414-43f9-aaa3-2cc5b145f36b@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10f545,a762b5abab312b36 X-Google-Thread: 10b271,a762b5abab312b36 X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,a762b5abab312b36 X-Google-Thread: 1139f8,a762b5abab312b36 X-Google-Thread: f55d3,a762b5abab312b36 X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gidfa4c1,gid1139f8,gidf55d3,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:20:58 -0600 From: Eric Baird Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.philo Subject: Re: FORGET ABOUT EINSTEIN 1905 FALSE LIGHT POSTULATE! Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:20:49 +0000 Message-ID: <r2d2q3d7inbc96u93carcd0enqeat24i89@4ax.com> References: <daf17514-1b2e-40f3-a53d-4de97cc45a32@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <q4abj.268951$R04.13646900@phobos.telenet-ops.be> <3f5c7515-7fa3-4d9d-83bf-ce1ad2187548@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <85e062f2-4030-4c86-92f0-e81177243217@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <32uqo3p0qs0ddql1je5uj25tjuq5kh4qr6@4ax.com> <b21311db-8966-4ceb-88c8-b3f999f1e5bd@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> <8d60q3lfqu2d3qlqjr1n4k3365ck6i0dm4@4ax.com> <44b93b02-1414-43f9-aaa3-2cc5b145f36b@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1117 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 80 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.135.96.175 X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-Wjz5qDVMZIiqtKOYIEcZeW1N1mcZW0suMTF1YN37+vQPnHzt6ZOyMaLFG6WEYCRlxLFfQH8l8RyTSlS!Hjg/cjok+41VIvsoSrsHoYB6yU638T78wS52vkNDngAgBKgkimqwepxupNrtsSQ6W9wpYwui4FJu!h28= X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.37