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Article #5768Re: FAT RATS LEAVE THE SINKING SHIP
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:15
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:15
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On Jan 23, 9:02Β am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_5.html > John Baez: "On the one hand we have the Standard Model, which tries to > explain all the forces except gravity, and takes quantum mechanics > into account. Β On the other hand we have General Relativity, which > tries to explain gravity, and does not take quantum mechanics into > account. Both theories seem to be more or less on the right track -- > but until we somehow fit them together, or completely discard one or > both, our picture of the world will be deeply schizophrenic." Baez Baez here is just one of the sources of the schizophreny: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math.research/browse_frm/thread/995298fb8f5aa557? John Baez: "Two constants appear throughout general relativity: the speed of light c and Newton's gravitational constant G. This should be no surprise, since Einstein created general relativity to reconcile the success of Newton's theory of gravity, based on instantaneous action at a distance, with his new theory of special relativity, in which no influence travels faster than light." Whoever told you that Baez Baez? Criminal brothers much cleverer than you could teach you so efficiently but you never learn Baez Baez: http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm "Einstein's Legacy -- Where are the "Einsteinians?", Lee Smolin: "Quantum theory was not the only theory that bothered Einstein. Few people have appreciated how dissatisfied he was with his own theories of relativity. Special relativity grew out of Einstein's insight that the laws of electromagnetism cannot depend on relative motion and that the speed of light therefore must be always the same, no matter how the source or the observer moves. Among the consequences of that theory are that energy and mass are equivalent (the now-legendary relationship E = mc2) and that time and distance are relative, not absolute. SPECIAL RELATIVITY WAS THE RESULT OF 10 YEARS OF INTELLECTUAL STRUGGLE, YET EINSTEIN HAD CONVINCED HIMSELF IT WAS WRONG WITHIN TWO YEARS OF PUBLISHING IT." http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/OntologyOUP_TimesNR.pdf "What Can We Learn about the Ontology of Space and Time from the Theory of Relativity?", John D. Norton: "In general relativity there is no comparable sense of the constancy of the speed of light. The constancy of the speed of light is a consequence of the perfect homogeneity of spacetime presumed in special relativity. There is a special velocity at each event; homogeneity forces it to be the same velocity everywhere. We lose that homogeneity in the transition to general relativity and with it we lose the constancy of the speed of light. Such was Einstein's conclusion at the earliest moments of his preparation for general relativity. ALREADY IN 1907, A MERE TWO YEARS AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE SPECIAL THEORY, HE HAD CONCLUDED THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS VARIABLE IN THE PRESENCE OF A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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X-Google-Thread: 10f545,efc0f544955de7d9 X-Google-Thread: 10b271,efc0f544955de7d9 X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,efc0f544955de7d9 X-Google-Thread: f55d3,efc0f544955de7d9 X-Google-Thread: 1139f8,efc0f544955de7d9 X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gidfa4c1,gidf55d3,gid1139f8,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, fr.sci.physique, fr.sci.philo, fr.sci.maths Subject: Re: FAT RATS LEAVE THE SINKING SHIP Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:15:37 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 54 Message-ID: <b875e642-bd42-439a-a2a8-34155001662c@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com> References: <4e7fbf70-740e-42b4-9d71-bc643f22322e@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com> <c3aae62e-dccb-4616-91cf-70f2471fcf58@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.91.141.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1201421738 2567 127.0.0.1 (27 Jan 2008 08:15:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.91.141.159; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)