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Article #5817Re: Fermat's principle and curved spacetime
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:03
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:03
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On Jan 18, 6:37 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in sci.physics.relativity: > Albertito wrote: > > Then, why did Einstein propose a local speed of light as > > c'= c(1 + V/c2)? > > Because he was struggling to find General Relativity, but had not yet > figured out all the details. His intermediate formula is approximate, > but not correct. When he proposed it he did not fully understand the > difference between local and non-local phenomena. > > Tom Roberts Roberts Roberts, Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is consistent with the gravitational redshift factor 1+V/c^2 confirmed experimentally by Pound and Rebka. In other words Roberts Roberts, the equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is CORRECT, NOT APPROXIMATE: any different equation (that may seem correct to you) would be inconsistent with the redshift factor. For that reason Roberts Roberts superior brothers in Einstein criminal cult have always been teaching that the speed of light varies with the gravitational potential, in accordance with Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2): http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c^2 ) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured." http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second place our result shows that, according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT FACTOR." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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