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Article #5829Re: WHY THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS CONSTANT
From: Don Stockbauer
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:58
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:58
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On Jan 10, 5:28 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001661/01/Minkowski.pdf > Harvey R. Brown and Oliver Pooley: "An examination of the status of > length contraction in the context of Einstein's 1905 treatment of SR > will illustrate the way in which principle theories fail to be > explanatory. Recall that in this derivation the first conclusion drawn > from the two fundamental postulates is the invariance of the speed of > light, that it has the same constant value in all inertial frames. > This gives the 'k-Lorentz transformations', the Lorentz > transformations up to a velocity dependent scale factor, k. What has, > in effect, been shown is that if the speed of light as measured with > respect to frame F0 is to be found to be the same value as when > measured with respect to the 'resting frame' F, then rods and clocks > at rest in F0 had better contract and dilate (with respect to frame F) > in the coordinated way that is encoded in the k-Lorentz > transformations. One then appeals to the relativity principle again-- > the principle entails that these coordinated contractions and > dilations must be exactly the same function of velocity for each > inertial frame, along with the principle of spatial isotropy, in order > to narrow down the deformations to just those encoded in the Lorentz > transformations. What has been shown is that rods and clocks must > behave in quite particular ways in order for the two postulates to be > true together. But this hardly amounts to an explanation of such > behaviour. Rather things go the other way around. It is because rods > and clocks behave as they do, in a way that is consistent with the > relativity principle, that light is measured to have the same speed in > each inertial frame." > > That is, the speed of light is constant because Einsteinians can trap > a long train inside a short tunnel: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSRIyDfo_mY&mode=related&search= > > and also a 80m long pole inside a 40m long barn: > > http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/barn_pole.html > "These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors > at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a > switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in > the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an > instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you > close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open > them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the > contracted pole shut up in your barn." > > If Einsteinians were unable to perform miracles of this kind, the > speed of light would be variable and would obey the equation c'=c+v > given by Newton's emission theory of light, where v is the relative > speed of the light source and the observer. > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com Isn't the velocity of light the same irregardless of the motion of the source or the observer? Only a frequency change results? But....what is the light traveling relative to???????
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