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On Dec 18, 17:14, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Pentcho Valev wrote:
> > On Dec 18, 06:36, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Pentcho Valev wrote:
> >>> You even claim that
> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thre...
> >>> Tom Roberts: "There's no need for relativistic kinematics in
> >>> discussing the Sagnac effect.....at the Planck scale the fundamental
> >>> structure of the world is not continuous."
>
> >> Your "....." omits too much, and the words following it have no
> >> relationship to the words preceding it.
>
> > Then let me show your whole statement:
> > [...]
>
> I repeat: YOU CANNOT READ. The statement above begins "There's no need
> ...", but your attempt to quote my "whole statement" does not include
> those words. You COMPLETELY missed my point. BOTH TIMES.
>
> Grow up. Learn to read.
>
> Tom Roberts

Your point?!? Criminal Einsteinians have points?!? Don't be ridiculous
Roberts Roberts. Criminal Einsteinians do not have any points; they
just desperately defend their money-spinner. Let me illustrate this:

A point (right or wrong):

http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
Bryan Wallace: "Einstein's special relativity theory with his second
postulate that the speed of light in space is constant is the linchpin
that holds the whole range of modern physics theories together.
Shatter this postulate, and modern physics becomes an elaborate
farce!....The speed of light is c+v."

Criminal Einsteinians' desperate defence:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/8034dc146100e32c
Tom Roberts: "If it is ultimately discovered that the photon has a
nonzero mass (i.e. light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant
speed of the Lorentz transform), SR would be unaffected but both
Maxwell's equations and QED would be refuted (or rather, their domains
of applicability would be reduced)."

http://o.castera.free.fr/pdf/chronogeometrie.pdf
Jean-Marc Lévy-Leblond "De la relativité à la chronogéométrie ou: Pour
en finir avec le "second postulat" et autres fossiles": "D'autre part,
nous savons aujourd'hui que l'invariance de la vitesse de la lumière
est une conséquence de la nullité de la masse du photon. Mais,
empiriquement, cette masse, aussi faible soit son actuelle borne
supérieure expérimentale, ne peut et ne pourra jamais être considérée
avec certitude comme rigoureusement nulle. Il se pourrait même que de
futures mesures mettent enévidence une masse infime, mais non-nulle,
du photon ; la lumière alors n'irait plus à la "vitesse de la
lumière", ou, plus précisément, la vitesse de la lumière, désormais
variable, ne s'identifierait plus à la vitesse limite invariante. Les
procedures operationnelles mises en jeu par le "second postulat"
deviendraient caduques ipso facto. La theorie elle-meme en serait-elle
invalidee ? Heureusement, il n'en est rien ; mais, pour s'en assurer,
il convient de la refonder sur des bases plus solides, et d'ailleurs
plus economiques. En verite, le "premier postulat" suffit, a la
condition de l'exploiter a fond."

http://o.castera.free.fr/pdf/onemorederivation.pdf
Jean-Marc Levy-Leblond: "This is the point of view from wich I intend
to criticize the overemphasized role of the speed of light in the
foundations of the special relativity, and to propose an approach to
these foundations that dispenses with the hypothesis of the invariance
of c....We believe that special relativity at the present time stands
as a universal theory discribing the structure of a common space-time
arena in which all fundamental processes take place....The evidence of
the nonzero mass of the photon would not, as such, shake in any way
the validity of the special relativity. It would, however, nullify all
its derivations which are based on the invariance of the photon
velocity."

Roberts Roberts would you refer to your idiotic defence of special
relativity (special relativity "would be unaffected" even if "light in
vacuum does not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz
transform") as "point"?!?

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com