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Article #5973CORRECT ANALYSIS OF THE SAGNAC EFFECT
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:11
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:11
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In discussing the Sagnac effect, both relativists and anti-relativists make the following mistake: http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s2-07/2-07.htm "Quantitatively, if we let w denote the angular speed of the loop, then the circumferential tangent speed of the end point is v = wR, and the sum of the speeds of the wave front and the receiver at the "end" point is c-v in the co-rotating direction and c+v in the counter- rotating direction.....This analysis is perfectly valid in both the classical and the relativistic contexts." The values c-v and c+v above are "perfectly valid" only in the relativistic context. If by "classical" the author means "Newtonian", the analysis is by no means "perfectly valid". According to an observer at rest, in the classical context, the speed of light is c+v in the co-rotating direction and c-v in the counter-rotating direction so the correct text would be: "Quantitatively, if we let w denote the angular speed of the loop, then the circumferential tangent speed of the end point is v = wR, and the sum of the speeds of the wave front and the receiver at the "end" point is c in the co-rotating direction and c in the counter-rotating direction." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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X-Google-Thread: 10f545,8279c4fdb7351591,start X-Google-Thread: 10b271,8279c4fdb7351591,start X-Google-Thread: f74ae,8279c4fdb7351591,start X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,8279c4fdb7351591,start X-Google-Thread: 1139f8,8279c4fdb7351591,start X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gidf74ae,gidfa4c1,gid1139f8,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, sci.astro, fr.sci.physique, fr.sci.maths Subject: CORRECT ANALYSIS OF THE SAGNAC EFFECT Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:11:39 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <e4d6d3a0-d2f1-487a-acbb-19017d35b8b4@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.91.141.166 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1198141900 32556 127.0.0.1 (20 Dec 2007 09:11:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.91.141.166; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)