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Article #5982Re: CORRECT ANALYSIS OF THE SAGNAC EFFECT
From: Sue...
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:06
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:06
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On Dec 20, 4:11 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > In discussing the Sagnac effect, both relativists and anti-relativists > make the following mistake: > > http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s2-07/2-07.htm > "Quantitatively, if we let w denote the angular speed of the loop, > then the circumferential tangent speed of the end point is v = wR, and > the sum of the speeds of the wave front and the receiver at the "end" > point is c-v in the co-rotating direction and c+v in the counter- > rotating direction.....This analysis is perfectly valid in both the > classical and the relativistic contexts." > > The values c-v and c+v above are "perfectly valid" only in the > relativistic context. If by "classical" the author means "Newtonian", > the analysis is by no means "perfectly valid". According to an > observer at rest, in the classical context, the speed of light is c+v > in the co-rotating direction and c-v in the counter-rotating direction > so the correct text would be: > > "Quantitatively, if we let w denote the angular speed of the loop, > then the circumferential tangent speed of the end point is v = wR, and > the sum of the speeds of the wave front and the receiver at the "end" > point is c in the co-rotating direction and c in the counter-rotating > direction." > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com Abstract--The famous Fizeau's interferometry experiment with fowing water is commonly cited as a demonstration of the velocity transformation in the special relativity. In this investigation, by taking into account the modification of the propagation velocity due to the motion of dielectric medium and the modification of the propagation length due to the Sagnac effect, an entirely different interpretation of this experiment is presented. Physically, the influence of the medium velocity on the phase velocity is associated with an effect of the polarization current. Both the medium velocity and the Sagnac effect depend on earth's rotation, while its influence on the phase difference in Fizeau's experiment cancels out substantially. http://qem.ee.nthu.edu.tw/f3c.pdf "Always Knowing Precisely How Fast the Earth is Turning" http://www.zeiss.com/C125716F004E0776/0/DB95426F0494AB1DC125717500445CEE/$File/Innovation_10_18.pdf Sue...
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