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Article #6101Re: PANICKY EINSTEINIANS PROVE TIME DILATION AGAIN
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:26
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:26
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On Nov 17, 8:36 am, nottooo...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Nov 16, 4:46 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > worth the effort don't you think? > > > No because Divine Albert has already solved half of the problem (in > > fact the whole problem) in 1911: > > So general relativity correctly describes the speed of light? Then > what are you moaning about? You should be using your energy to promote > public understanding of GR. Let us say it this way: Einstein 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) describing how the speed of light varies with the gravitational potential is CORRECT: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c^2 ) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured." http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second place our result shows that, according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT FACTOR." However the fact that Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is CORRECT implies that, as your masters measure the gravitational redshift and e.g. confirm Pound and Rebka's result f'=f(1+V/c^2), they in fact measure the variability of the speed of light and confirm Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2). They do not confirm any gravitational time dilation. Equivalently, the Doppler effect confirms the prediction of Newton's emission theory of light c'=c+v, where v is the relative speed of the light source and the observer. Again no time dilation. Now see what your masters and their sycophants teach: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2007/1113/2 "Special relativity joins space and time into a single weird thing called spacetime that appears different to observers moving relative to each other. Imagine you hold a firecracker in each of your outstretched hands and you see the two go off simultaneously. (Ouch!) Bizarrely, another person zooming by at near-light speed will see the firecrackers explode at different times. (She'll also claim your arms are shorter than you say they are.) In much the same way, a clock flying at near-light speed would tick more slowly than the watch on your wrist, and a person who travels through space in a high-speed rocket would appear to age unusually slowly to someone stuck on Earth. Such "time dilation" seems preposterous. But in 1907, Einstein proposed an experiment to test the idea. Atoms and ions give off light of specific colors. Light is a kind of rippling wave, and the rate of rippling can be viewed essentially as the ticking of a clock. Einstein reasoned that if the ion were accelerated to near-light speed, time would slow for it and, hence, so would the rippling of the emitted light waves. That is, the speeding ions would emit light of a lower frequency. Now, Gerald Gwinner, a physicist at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg, Canada, and colleagues have tested time dilation in just this way." Pentcho Valev
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