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Article #6115Re: MICHEL JANSSEN EXPLAINS LENGTH CONTRACTION
From: Androcles
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:25
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:25
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"Dr. Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message news:68dpj31escvten5gfas004b2flftoe5u5q@4ax.com... : On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:14:00 -0800, Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote: : : >On Nov 13, 6:29 pm, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote: : >> On Nov 13, 8:57 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: : >> : >> >http://www.ias.umn.edu/pdf/TimeandRelativity-Janssen.pdf : >> > Michel Janssen: "Does Minkowski space-time, thus understood, explain : >> > length contraction and the phenomena examined in this talk? Yes and : >> > no. It explains them by showing they need no explanation." : >> : >> You forgot to add your usual misinterpretation to this. What : >> do you think is the significance of that statement in light : >> of his opening sentence? : >> : >> "I defend the widely held view challenged by Harvey Brown : >> in his recent book that special relativity is preferable to those : >> parts of Lorentz's electron theory it replaced because various : >> phenomena that special relativity reveals to be of purely kinematical : >> origin were given a dynamical explanation in Lorentz's theory." : > : >I have neither an interpretation nor a misinterpretation of length : >contraction because length contraction is just an idiotic corollary of : >Einstein's false light postulate. I am just trying to call the : >attention to various aspects of the idiocy. For instance, I claim that : >Harvey Brown CAN whereas Michel Janssen CANNOT explain how a long : >train can be trapped inside a short tunnel: : > : >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSRIyDfo_mY&mode=related&search= : > : >or a 80m long pole can be trapped inside a 40m long barn: : > : >http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/barn_pole.html : >"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors : >at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a : >switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in : >the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an : >instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you : >close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open : >them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the : >contracted pole shut up in your barn." : > : >But this does not mean that Harvey Brown's interpretation is less : >idiotic than Michel Janssen's interpretation. : > : >Pentcho Valev : : There is no change in length of either the pole or the barn no matter how they : move. : The pole will never fit inside. "There is no doppler shift in BaTh." -- Wilson news:05rvg3lp9nld0h4a8rnijr2uo870jcd0en@4ax.com "Light doesn't have a 'frequency'. It has a wavelength." --Wilson. news:1193906355.448067.162590@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com "SPINNING OBJECTS HAVE A FREQUENCY, NOT A BLOODY WAVELENGTH." -- Wilson news:pllli3puamdqd70qnenjoonfsbjtv1ibmj@4ax.com "Light doesn't have a particuar 'frequency' in the normal sense. Frequency is the inferred rate at whichABSOLUTE wavecrests leave the source" -- Wilson. news:3ghfh3h30n795o2vs1sulouge37ve0n17i@4ax.com "THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT IN GENERAL, THE 'WAVELENGTH' OF AN OSCILLATION IS THE SAME IN ALL FRAMES." -- Wilson news:920ni31ul6rb833qrltro49t3pnv2g5qk5@4ax.com "Anyway, this now fits in perfectly with my 'intrinsic oscillation frequency' idea. Thankyou Jerry for helping me develop my theory...." -- Wilson, October 26, 2007 1:03 PM news:iml3i3dh0vmisp6ln34ron41uoljmonvni@4ax.com "That's the kind of argument I'd expect from a desperate person....completely out of ideas... ahahahaha!" -- Wilson. "For one ray, ct = 2piR+vt , for the other ct = 2piR-vt. This gives t = 2piR/(c+v) and 2piR/(c-v)" -- Wilson. news:q21vi3lmjhp5s9pkc554egjp1taus1drbt@4ax.com... "That's for the nonrotating frame, dopey." -- Wilson. news:cp7vi35bvqvta6o1vcvi4m1v6q8t4ro1la@4ax.com. "There is NOT the same number of wavelengths between the STARTPOINT and the detector" -- Wilson news:8no1j39qhu9tk2nqglqkgt00u07se4i63q@4ax.com "<plonk>" -- Wilson (faced with his own words) news:gci9j3lf66t9d1j9ia3fdpqe7pfova2kln@4ax.com You don't use emission theory and don't know what it is, your crackpot theory is BaTh; you've been whining that for 6 years, you invented it when I was in hospital in Florida with a shattered ankle and I've been in Britain 4.75 years while you've gotten gradually more senile. In all that time you've only learned to write "Dr" in front of your name which nobody believes. You blew it with denying Doppler and your tick fairies, senile old fart.
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