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Article #6279Re: EINSTEINIANS TAKE CONTROL OF SUPERLUMINAL SIGNALS
From: DiamondSkeptic
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:36
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:36
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On 17 Oct, 09:47, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 17 Oct, 08:32, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Einsteinians know their criminal cult is eternal but still too many > > references to superluminal signals make them nervous; in such cases > > they stop singing "Divine Einstein" and fill Einstein zombie world > > with the scornful "pfffft hahahahahaha": > > >http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2007/10/16/how-a-superlum... > > How a superluminal experiment should be conducted > > By Chris Lee | Published: October 16, 2007 - 03:30PM CT > > "A couple of months ago we reported on an arXiv paper that reported > > superluminal pulse propagation [Nimtz' paper]. The paper was such a > > steaming pile of science that our report amounted to something along > > the lines of "pfffft hahahahahaha." The reason was that the > > researchers did not give a detailed explanation of their experimental > > setup, did not present any data other than a rather vague "about 2ps," > > and didn't try to make a distinction between the group velocity and > > the phase velocity. To examine these sorts of experiments, let me give > > you a short introduction to the propagation of light. Light has two > > speeds associated with it: phase velocity, and group velocity. When > > Einstein formulated special relativity, he did it using the > > empirically observed evidence that the phase velocity of light was > > constant for all observers. The conclusion was that the phase velocity > > of light in vacuum was the fastest speed possible. Today, I am pleased > > to be able to give an example of superluminal experiments done right. > > In work published in Physical Review A, a group of researchers from > > NIST and the Wuhan Institute of Physics and Mathematics...." > > > So zombies should learn by rote that in 1905 Einstein postulated the > > PHASE VELOCITY was constant, not the group velocity. If he had said > > the GROUP VELOCITY was constant - then, OK, superluminal signals would > > refute relativity - but fortunately Einstein did not say so. Zombies > > should also know that only superluminal experiments published in in > > Physical Review A matter - superluminal experiments published anywhere > > else deserve, by definition, "pfffft hahahahahaha". Finally, zombies > > should never ask the following question: Can superluminal signals > > refute relativity as implied in textbook problems like the following > > one: > > >http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic193296.files/chap11.pdf > > pp. 41-42: > > 11.6. Train in a tunnel ** > > "A train and a tunnel both have proper lengths L. The train moves > > toward the tunnel at speed v. A bomb is located at the front of the > > train. The bomb is designed to explode when the front of the train > > passes the far end of the tunnel. A deactivation sensor is located at > > the back of the train. When the back of the train passes the near end > > of the tunnel, the sensor tells the bomb to disarm itself. Does the > > bomb explode?" > > p. 57: "Therefore, the far end of the tunnel passes the front of the > > train before the near end passes the back, so the bomb explodes. We > > can, however, also look at things in the frame of the tunnel (see Fig. > > 11.53). Here the tunnel has length L, and the train is length- > > contracted down to L/gamma. Therefore, the deactivation device gets > > triggered before the front of the train passes the far end of the > > tunnel, so you might think that the bomb does not explode. We appear > > to have a paradox. The resolution to this paradox is that the > > deactivation device cannot instantaneously tell the bomb to deactivate > > itself. It takes a finite time for the signal to travel the length of > > the train from the sensor to the bomb. And it turns out that this > > transmission time makes it impossible for the deactivation signal to > > get to the bomb before the bomb gets to the far end of the tunnel, no > > matter how fast the train is moving. Let's show this. The signal has > > the best chance of winning this "race" if it has speed c....." > > Needless to say, this phase-velocity-group-velocity hypnosis is only > relevant when zombies imagine light as a continuous field, that is, > when they think in terms of the concept Einstein refers to in his 1954 > confession: > > http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf/files/975547d7-2d00-433a-b7e3-4a... > Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot > be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures. > Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the > theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary > physics." > > So as zombies learn why superluminal signals cannot refute relativity, > they should not look at and even think of the following words of > combinations of words: "discontinuum", "photons", "emission theory", > "Newton", "Ritz", "Michell" "the other Einstein", "John Stachel", > "Jean Eisenstaedt", "John Norton". Virtually the name of no Einstein's > hypnotist should be looked at or thought of since at present all > hypnotists are trying to introduce discontinuity and the emission > theory in Einstein's relativity. Up until recently it was still > possible to look at "Tom Roberts", the name of a freshman among > hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult, but since August 25 even this > possibility has been forbidden: > > http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/40698de7c... > Tom Roberts, August 25: "IMHO it is the whole concept of "manifold" > that is at most risk of becoming obsolete in future theories. That is, > I strongly suspect that at the Planck scale the fundamental structure > of the world is not continuous." > > Pentcho Valev And still nobody gives a shit. Rigorous experiments on Einstein's postulates have failed to find a flaw in any of them. That's the bottom line - Einstein's theory predicts experimental results - Pentcho predicts exactly nothing despite the endless posturing and baiting of supporters of Einstein's Theories.
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