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Article #6320Re: The speed of the light barrier broken- pro or con
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:37
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:37
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On Nov 24, 5:12 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in sci.physics.relativity: > On 11/24/11 11/24/11 7:23 AM, bbwilliams wrote: > > > Peer review is very important. > > Yes. > > > The unfortunate thing is that peer reviews are > > organized by journals. Journals are concerned with profit, not science. I know, > > I have had many many rejections of my work based not on the fact that the work > > was improper, or that the results were wrong. In stead, the only reason is that > > it is not mainstream and therefor not published because the EDITORs do not think > > it important. > > This is complete bullshit. Non-mainstream papers get published all the time in > the primary physics literature. But they are written by people who understand > physics. The complaint you make is from people who DON'T understand physics, and > who make very elementary errors in their writing -- their papers are rejected > for being nonsense or including elementary errors, not for being non-mainstream. > A primary purpose of peer review is to save time for the bulk of the community > by having a few reviewers prevent nonsense and errors from entering the journal. > Moreover, there are journals who specialize in non-mainstream papers, and whose > standards are quite relaxed (but, of course, most physicists don't bother to > read them, and they routinely publish papers with elementary errors) -- these > are referable, and their papers are not "unpublished evidence". > > This newsgroup is a good example -- it is >99% junk and nonsense. Then it is so nice that 1% does make sense, especially Honest Roberts' deep insights. For instance: Even if "light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform", Divine Albert's Divine Special Relativity "would be unaffected" (on reading this, Paul Draper fiercely sings "Divine Einstein", tumbles to the floor, starts tearing his clothes and goes into convulsions): http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/dc1ebdf49c012de2 Tom Roberts: "If it is ultimately discovered that the photon has a nonzero mass (i.e. light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform), SR would be unaffected but both Maxwell's equations and QED would be refuted (or rather, their domains of applicability would be reduced)." http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/msg/44d3ebf3b94d89ad Tom Roberts: "As I said before, Special Relativity would not be affected by a non-zero photon mass, as Einstein's second postulate is not required in a modern derivation (using group theory one obtains three related theories, two of which are solidly refuted experimentally and the third is SR). So today's foundations of modern physics would not be threatened." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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From: Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: The speed of the light barrier broken- pro or con
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