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Article #6379Re: DOUBLETHINK IN EINSTEINIANA
From: Mahipal
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:21
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:21
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On Jul 4, 12:55 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/1984-17.html#seventeen > George Orwell: "Doublethink means the power of holding two > contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both > of them. The Party intellectual knows in which direction his memories > must be altered; he therefore knows that he is playing tricks with > reality; but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself > that reality is not violated. The process has to be conscious, or it > would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to > be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and > hence of guilt. Doublethink lies at the very heart of Ingsoc, since > the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while > retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. To > tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any > fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary > again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, > to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take > account of the reality which one denies - all this is indispensably > necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to > exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is > tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this > knowledge ; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead > of the truth." > > http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june232009/einstein_lessons_dj_6-2... > "For those of us who believe in physics, this separation between past, > present and future is only an illusion, however tenacious" - Albert > Einstein > > http://www.geekitude.com/gl/public_html/article.php?story=20050422141... > Brian Greene: "I certainly got very used to the idea of relativity, > and therefore I can go into that frame of mind without it seeming like > an effort. But I feel and think about the world as being organized > into past, present and future. I feel that the only moment in time > that's really real is this moment right now. And I feel [that what > happened a few moments ago] is gone, and the future is yet to be. It > still feels right to me. But I know in my mind intellectually that's > wrong. Relativity establishes that that picture of the universe is > wrong, and if I work hard, I can force myself to recognize the fallacy > in my view or thinking; but intuitively it's still what I feel. So > it's a daily struggle to keep in mind how the world works, and > juxtapose that with experience that [I get] a thousand, even million > times a day from ordinary comings and goings." > > http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Goodies/passage/index.html > John Norton: "A common belief among philosophers of physics is that > the passage of time of ordinary experience is merely an illusion. The > idea is seductive since it explains away the awkward fact that our > best physical theories of space and time have yet to capture this > passage. I urge that we should resist the idea. We know what illusions > are like and how to detect them. Passage exhibits no sign of being an > illusion....Following from the work of Einstein, Minkowski and many > more, physics has given a wonderfully powerful conception of space and > time. Relativity theory, in its most perspicacious form, melds space > and time together to form a four-dimensional spacetime. The study of > motion in space and and all other processes that unfold in them merely > reduce to the study of an odd sort of geometry that prevails in > spacetime. In many ways, time turns out to be just like space. In this > spacetime geometry, there are differences between space and time. But > a difference that somehow captures the passage of time is not to be > found. There is no passage of time. There are temporal orderings. We > can identify earlier and later stages of temporal processes and > everything in between. What we cannot find is a passing of those > stages that recapitulates the presentation of the successive moments > to our consciousness, all centered on the one preferred moment of > "now." At first, that seems like an extraordinary lacuna. It is, it > would seem, a failure of our best physical theories of time to capture > one of time's most important properties. However the longer one works > with the physics, the less worrisome it becomes....I was, I confess, a > happy and contented believer that passage is an illusion. It did > bother me a little that we seemed to have no idea of just how the news > of the moments of time gets to be rationed to consciousness in such > rigid doses.....Now consider the passage of time. Is there a > comparable reason in the known physics of space and time to dismiss it > as an illusion? I know of none. The only stimulus is a negative one. > We don't find passage in our present theories and we would like to > preserve the vanity that our physical theories of time have captured > all the important facts of time. So we protect our vanity by the > stratagem of dismissing passage as an illusion." > > http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2009/07/01/world-science-fes... > "There are many theoretical physicists who think the flow of time is > an illusion," he says. "And I think that's a great mistake…according > to quantum physics you don't know the outcome of events until they > happen. We know what happened in the past, there's a time called the > present when things are happening, and there's a time in the future > which is not yet determined. That's my view on it, which is not a very > widely supported one." A professor emeritus of applied mathematics at > the University of Capetown, Ellis is the co-author with Stephen > Hawking of The Large Scale Structure of Space Time, and investigates > the physical foundations of the flow of time." > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com Thanks for the links to some very interesting events and discussions. Occasionally do offer a quick quirk of your own regards some of these links you share. The future is already cast in stone, so write away. Enjo(y)... -- Mahipal
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