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Article #6509Re: CRITICIZING DEAD SCIENCE
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:36
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:36
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The critic of dead science bumps into this: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000313/ "At first sight, the Second Law is indeed relevant for this arrow. If the entropy can only increase during a thermodynamical process, then obviously, a reversal of this process is not possible. Many authors believe this is a crucial feature, if not the very essence of the Second Law. Planck, for example, claimed that, were it not for the existence of irreversible processes, 'the entire edifice of the second law would crumble [. . . ] and theoretical work would have to start from the beginning.', and viewed entropy increase as a 'universal measure of irreversibility'. A similar view is expressed by Sklar in his recent book on the foundations of statistical mechanics: 'The crucial fact needed to justify the introduction of [. . . ] a definite entropy value is the irreversibility of physical processes.' (...) However, this is only one of many problems awaiting a student of the Second Law. There are also authors expressing the opposite viewpoint. Bridgman writes: 'It is almost always emphasized that thermodynamics is concerned with reversible processes and equilibrium states and that it can have nothing to do with irreversible processes or systems out of equilibrium . . .' It is not easy to square this view, - and the fact that Bridgman presents it as prevailing among thermodynamicists - with the idea that irreversibility is essential to the Second Law. Indeed, one can find other authors maintaining that the Second Law has little to do with irreversibility or the arrow of time; in particular Ehrenfest-Afanassjewa, Landsberg and Jauch. For them, the conflict between the irreversibility of thermodynamics and the reversible character of the rest of physics is merely illusory, due to a careless confusion of the meaning of terms." http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a909857880 "The Ideology of Relativity: The Case of the Clock Paradox" by Peter Hayes "There is, nonetheless, some divergence about how to resolve the clock paradox amongst mainstream scientists and philosophers who address the issue. The majority suggest that (a) the general theory is required to resolve the paradox because like "Kritikus" they have deduced - quite correctly - that it cannot be explained by the special theory. However, a minority believe that (b) the paradox can be explained by the special theory because they have deduced - again quite correctly - that it is incredible to suppose that only the general theory can explain a prediction ostensibly arising from the prior special theory. Each deduction, considered in isolation, is allowable within the mainstream; what is not permitted is to bring the two of them together to conclude that (c) neither the special nor the general theory explains time dilation." So sooner or later the critic of dead science finds himself in the position of Mr. Praline and abandons his "LINE OF INQUIRY": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218 http://www.orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/petshop1.htm Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with it? Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it! Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting. Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now. Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage! ............................ Mr. Praline: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk. Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the fjords. Mr. Praline: PININ' for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home? Owner: The Norwegian Blue prefers keepin' on it's back! Remarkable bird, id'nit, squire? Lovely plumage! .................................... Mr. Praline: I'M NOT PREPARED TO PURSUE MY LINE OF INQUIRY ANY LONGER AS I THINK THIS IS GETTING TOO SILLY! Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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